Core Sound 20 Hull #102

[paul_stewart]

Hopefully Paul Stewart will chime in.  He recently bought a trailer for CS20 #103 here in NC ... just before the Everglades Challenge.

Wes, good luck with your trailer.  I posted some comments here:

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http://www.messing-about.com/forums/index.php?topic=5825.60

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[wkisting]

Paul, thanks for the info on trailers. I've sent a few messages to RoadKing about a custom built trailer (the local marine dealer referred me to them), but haven't heard back yet. I suspect they'll have, or be able to build, a trailer that easily fits the criteria you all have mentioned. Your pictures will definitely help me clarify to the dealer what I'm looking for, since as someone else rightly mentioned, as soon as you say "sailboat trailer," they assume the thing has to be able to accommodate a deep fin keel, etc.

[Dale Niemann]

My "Lively" has the centerboard covered with three coats of epoxy on everything below what you can see from the cockpit.  The leading edge and bottom of it are covered with Xynol (sp?).  She has seen the bottom more than I care to admit (depth sounder) and beaches with no problems whatsoever.

When the water is really clear, it is nice for folks to be able to see a nice clear finished centerboard cutting the water under the hull.

Dale

[wkisting]

Dale, I've admired pictures of Lively many times... did you paint the name on it? Looks very nice and very professionally done.

Here's a pic of our progress as of this morning.... seat tops are cut, but not trimmed flush with the seat faces yet. We're still debating whether we want to cover the tops in mahogany. Not sure we want to add the weight, so we'll probably skip it, though it would look very nice.

[Dale Niemann]

The lettering on "Lively" is vinal done by a local sign shop.  I had about a 100 kinds of lettering to choose from.  It worked out very well.  I had used the same company on my previous boat "Bananas" and the lettering held up very for the nine years I had her.

Your boat progress in really moving along fast and she looks great.

Dale

[skawt]

Wes

If you can generate a font on your computer (I used photoshop to modify a standard font, you can then play with spacing and sizes) that you like, then produce a PDF in full size that you want the name, most sign shops will take your file and cut a vinyl sign for you. You can include graphics as well. Just make sure the image size is the same as the size you want the sign before you save the file. Much cheaper than having them do the layout as well.

Scott

[wkisting]

Actually, as fast as it's going, we're still two weeks behind. We ordered more fumed silica from Raka when we ran out, but it never came. After 4 phone calls over the last 2 weeks, I finally got it sorted out today (I hope). Three times they insisted that it was already shipped; now they say they have no record it was ever ordered. So they promised to get a new shipment out today. I like the folks at Raka, but this is the third time this exact same problem has occurred--once each on three separate boat-builds now.

We've got the CB case ready to install, but have to wait on the silica to make fillets. I may just stop by West Marine and get some of the West Systems fillers, though the cost is considerably higher per volume.

Dale/Scott, thanks for the tip on the lettering. My wife is a graphic artist, so she knows how to do all kinds of fancy stuff with fonts. We'll have to find a vinyl shop, but that's a great idea. For some reason, I completely forgot about vinyl lettering and was thinking we'd need to use stencils to paint it on... but vinyl will be quicker, easier, and look just as good.

[Charlie Jones]

Let me put in a plug for a friend of mine, Rik Sandberg. HE has a vinyl shop and does boat names. He's done three for us so far, and many many for people on TSBB.

He's online at rik@signsbyrik.net

Give him a look- he'll work with you on them.

[wkisting]

Well of COURSE I'm special, Ray.   

Thanks for the lead on the vinyl-lettering, Charlie. Coincidentally, I just had an e-mail from a local Augusta resident who is thinking about building a CS20. He asked to come see our boat and must've found this thread also because he happened to mention a local vinyl shop, so I may check that out as well. It'll be awhile now before I need them. I thought we would be close to the painting stage by now, but the delay with Raka ate up the last two weeks of progress, and now it's end-of-semester time, which means I have a LOT of essays to grade.  So the progress will slow considerably now. 

[wkisting]

You have no idea how tempting that is... which is exactly why universities are always complaining about "grade inflation." 

My faith in Raka is restored: They overnighted the silica to me (I didn't even ask them to), so I had a pleasant surprise waiting on the doorstep this morning... sort of feels like Christmas, with people quietly leaving me packages while I sleep.

If I can grade fast enough today, perhaps I'll have time to install the centerboard tomorrow or Sunday. I'm really starting to worry that if any more delays arise, we may still be building when the really hot weather hits (although that's still a few months away). I REALLY don't want to have to work with paint in the HOT Georgia weather or it'll be drying on the brush before I can touch the brush to the hull. 

[Garry]

Perhaps you could trade extra credit for boat work.  ;D ;D ;D

[wkisting]

Garry, don't tempt me... you'll be contributing to the delinquency of my students and to getting me fired!    Seriously, though, maybe I can convince the English department to let me teach a "Seafaring Literature and Boatbuilding" course.  Hmmmm...... I can see it now... reading "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" or quoting from "Moby Dick" while standing on the pitching deck of a CS20 in storm-tossed seas.... I could even require that all students purchase an eye-patch and shout "Arrrggggh!" before and after every contribution to discussion.

Does anyone know if the hatches on the CS20 are identical to those on the P22? I just realized I'm missing the hatch detail sheet for the CS20, but I have P22 plans, so I suppose I could follow those if the process is identical (or nearly so).

[Charlie Jones]

Yes- they are the same build. Different sizes is all.

[Oyster]

If you go the vinyl route, I personally like 22ct. gold for an added touch. I now use it all the time. Of course I am countinually scorned by the purists of wood that I have cheapened up the boat by doing so. Proper supporters of Emily Dickerson suggests to do either carved letters and gold or letter boards. One thing that I have found with using boards is when you go to refinish your hull paint,  you do not need to redo your letters. This also includes the numbers done on number boards. If you look at the last launching of the P22 by Tony, he used this approach too on his boat. The photo of two princess 22 shows them well and there is a thread called "Seeing double."

But I am also able to do my names in about five minutes after the sign guy prints it out, even doing the black trim, another proper with the purists with names on varnished wood. So I guess I am a half breed, but never claimed to be of pedigree line. Come to think about it, none of us are anyway. ;D I tell people to give the boat a twenty foot examination or to send money for a share of the action. Crickets anyone????HEHE!

[wkisting]

Oyster, I like the looks of your letters... especially the dark contrasting wood of the "Popsicle" nameplate... ours will probably be against the white hull, so I'll probably just use black letters or perhaps a mahogany brown color in that case. I'm worried that boards might look awkward on the CS20, and all our hardware will be stainless so it won't match well with the gold lettering.

Charlie, thanks.... Do your recall the recommended dimensions of the seats on a CS20? I was thinking I'd just make them 24" wide and about 13" or 14" deep, but perhaps that's too large?

[Charlie Jones]

That width is probably fine. As to depth- gauge that based on being able to open the hatch tops and lay them against the coaming. You don't want the hatches so wide that when open they hit there before at least going vertical- then you have to hold them open. If they'll lean slightly against the coaming they'll stay open at least in calm situations.

And on the lettering. Here's the name Rik made for us on Tehani-

[wkisting]

Nice lettering job, Charlie. Looks like they're outlined in gold, no?

Got the centerboard case tabbed in place today. If the rain holds off, I'll try to get 'er filleted and taped later this afternoon. Seat tops are ready to glue on also, after which we'll have all of the boat complete except the deck framing, deck, and spars. I think I'll flip her and finish the bottom before I do the decking though.

Here's a pic...

[Charlie Jones]

Yes- they are outlined in gold. They are now three years old and still looking great

[wkisting]

I thought so... the gold looks green on my monitor, but I knew you had better taste than that. 

Is that a chainplate for a running backstay? For some reason I had it in my head that Tehani had freestanding masts (?)

Managed to get the centerboard case filleted in place yesterday. Came out very nicely, so now I just need to get the cross supports and seat tops in, then it's time to flip her and do the bottom.

We've got carpenter bees buzzing around... I had never heard of them until a few days ago (they look like bumble bees to me), but I found out they are extremely destructive to wood. Luckily the epoxy on the boat seems to have been holding them at bay. The cross-members on my makeshift awning over the boat, however, have some SERIOUS holes and trenches dug into them that look like someone took a 5/8" drill bit to them! Guess I'll have to spray the area thoroughly with bug killer to get rid of them before they decide to lunch on my boat, too.  :'(

[Doug Cameron]

I've never had carpenter bees attack a boat, but they ate almost all of my western cedar fascia (I replaced it with Hardee Board -- you could crumble it in your hand.) and they did some work on the trim on our front door.  Doug in Sewanee, Tennessee.