Don Silsbe Posted January 22, 2024 Report Posted January 22, 2024 I know several people who routinely use graphite powder, added to epoxy, to coat the bottoms of their boats. They believe that they are adding some level of durability or abrasion resistance to the bottom. Is this fact or just snake oil? Are there any studies to back up the claim? Quote
Bryan Rolfe Posted January 23, 2024 Report Posted January 23, 2024 We used graphite powder mixed with epoxy as a barrier coat on our Albin Vega 27: https://www.instagram.com/p/BoCa8pvh9ET/ (if that link doesn't work for you, let me know and I'll post a picture later). It was purely for aesthetics in our case and didn't serve any other purpose. The idea was that if/when our ablative bottom paint started to fail/scrape-off, then at least the boat would still look reasonably nice below the water line. I think you could also make the argument that the graphite offers marginal UV protection, but at the surface, the epoxy would still be susceptible to damage. 1 Quote
Captain Tim Posted January 23, 2024 Report Posted January 23, 2024 Right from the West Systems website Designed for: Low-Friction Coating Scuff Resistance Color Modification $35.00 for a 12 oz can at West Marine I'd say just don't drag your bottom on the ground 1 Quote
Jknight611 Posted January 23, 2024 Report Posted January 23, 2024 I have used it on slides for hatches, marginal success…. If you don’t drag the bottom occasionally, you aren’t sailing on the gulf coast. I personally have pinstriped quite a lot of the gulf coast! 1 Quote
Reacher Posted January 23, 2024 Report Posted January 23, 2024 I searched for info a few years ago and never found a study, only a lot of anecdotal information. The stories are positive. People are pleased with the look. West System, which does many technical studies and tests, does not provide an analysis that I could find. It markets graphite powder as a cosmetic filler for low friction and scuff resistance, some uv protection, no anti fouling properties. An alternative to paint. i assume that scuff resistance is at the low end of abrasion resistance. 1 Quote
Kennneee Posted January 24, 2024 Report Posted January 24, 2024 I have used it on at least 6 boats. I can't say that it reduces friction but I use it for color and it looks better when it gets scuffed than varnish or paint. It seems a bit more resiliant than paint. I should clarify that most of the times I have used it has been on the bottom of varnished strip built boats. I also used it on the bottom of my lapwing and I like the look. 20220610_180815_IMG_1138.HEIC Quote
Jknight611 Posted January 25, 2024 Report Posted January 25, 2024 Ken, your shop is entirely too organized and …..well neat! Quote
Kennneee Posted January 25, 2024 Report Posted January 25, 2024 53 minutes ago, Jknight611 said: Ken, your shop is entirely too organized and …..well neat! Jay- The only way to prove you wrong, and you are on this, is to have you visit and see the mess for yourself. 1 Quote
Don Silsbe Posted January 25, 2024 Author Report Posted January 25, 2024 If you look at my postings of the Seaclipper build, you’ll agree that NOBODY will ever say that about me! Quote
Kennneee Posted January 25, 2024 Report Posted January 25, 2024 A messy shop means work is getting done. A badge of honor. Besides, I hate cleaning it. 1 Quote
Jknight611 Posted January 29, 2024 Report Posted January 29, 2024 Kalos just mentioned that she would love to sail that area….. Quote
gray duck Posted February 9, 2024 Report Posted February 9, 2024 Having the graphite powder in epoxy gives great UV protection and I think provides a smooth low friction surface. I have a Devlin Cackler I built in 99 and the bottom looks almost as good as when launched. Used about once a week since beginning. And I have a pirogue stored upside down and the bow gets sun maybe 6 hours a day and looks fine. 1 Quote
Paul356 Posted February 13, 2024 Report Posted February 13, 2024 I ended up with 4 coats of graphite epoxy on the bottom of the Duckworks Scout I built last summer. (Sorry all, non-B&B product.) I was impressed with the way it held up to Door County Rocks and miscellaneous driveway scuffs. It certainly is better than scuffing through enamel and revealing primer or glass. I did some sanding with 320 between coats to get it smooth and glossy the way I wanted. I recommend it. But no studies. 2 Quote
Captain Tim Posted February 14, 2024 Report Posted February 14, 2024 What brand graphite are you using? I have found brands selling for half what West Systems sells for. Is all graphite going to be the same. Quote
Kennneee Posted February 14, 2024 Report Posted February 14, 2024 I have always used West for graphite powder. I would imagine that graphite is graphite. I had a friend that was a kayak buillder/designer and he emptied toner cartdridges and used the powder. His boats did fine. 1 Quote
Paul356 Posted February 16, 2024 Report Posted February 16, 2024 I got graphite from duckworks. https://duckworks.com/graphite-powder/ i just used some west graphite yesterday at our volunteer boat shop. it seemed the same. i don't know about cost comparisons. Quote
Captain Tim Posted February 17, 2024 Report Posted February 17, 2024 Price is interesting. West System 12oz = $35 at West Marine Duck Work 1 pint = $9.95 I would think plus shipping Fasco Epoxies 1qt = 110z = $18.99 at Amazon I get free shipping Quote
Hirilonde Posted February 17, 2024 Report Posted February 17, 2024 The West 12 oz., is that weight or volume? Quote
Captain Tim Posted February 18, 2024 Report Posted February 18, 2024 I'm guessing weight because West Systems says 12oz whereas Duckworks says one pint (volume). The one from Amason says one quart and also 11oz so I guess telling us the weight of the volume. I have not bought any yet, so I don't know for sure. Quote
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