Kennneee Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 Alan- This not fair. I am almost done with Rosie and now I want a CS20. Cut it out! Beautiful work! Ken Quote
Mark Baumgaertner Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 So Alan, do you recommend a keel strip or not? I'm getting ready to flip my boat upside down and begin the bottom glassing. What are the disadvantages of a keel strip? And why did you decide against it? Quote
Alan Stewart Posted February 24, 2020 Author Posted February 24, 2020 Mark, See here for the answer to why https://youtu.be/kn-gPOonXS0?t=561 Recommend is a strong word. I haven't seen how this holds up over time yet but I do have experience with the wooden keel strip. On Dawn Patrol our CS-20 it worked well. We took the extra step then of potting all of our screw holes for the stainless steel strip and I think that helped it hold up (meaning not get water in the wood) here are some pictures of that keel strip after 10 years of I would say light use (mostly just the annual everglades challenge but maybe 2-3 other regular annual trips) https://goo.gl/photos/GAfPCXY1yCaTj7ok8 On Graham's CS17 Mark 3 the wooden keel strip is in rough shape because the few trailer rollers broke down and put a lot of pressure on the keel which over time caused the epoxy to crack under pressure and then water slowly got to the wood. Part of the reason it was so hard to launch and prompted him to build the roller bed which works incredibly well. See below. So basically I wanted to try a solid glass option. The other reason for the keel strip is to add some directional stability primarily for rowing which I don't plan to do. I did notice that without the keel strip the boat is affected by a crosswind more when motoring with the outboard which is expected but a few inches of CB down will solve that. There are no disadvantages to a well made wooden keel strip with a stainless hollow-back cover. One that is well coated and any and all holes put in it for a stainless rub strip are coated. I think this is generally proven to be low maintenance and durable provided enough trailer rollers are used. 4 minimum i'd say. The only advantages I can think of at the moment for what I did is that it is lighter weight and quicker to do. 1 Quote
ricknriver Posted February 24, 2020 Posted February 24, 2020 Thanks Taylor and Alan for great videos and building/finishing tips. We're back on that "Amanda" you Graham and Beth helped us construct a few yrs ago in Washington, and hope to finish her this winter in FL where we have a garage, and bring her back to NC in April. Bottom almost faired out. Happy building and kit making. Stay warm and safe. Mick n RickZ Quote
Steve W Posted April 11, 2020 Posted April 11, 2020 Alan, that look's awesome. Thanks for the update. I like the improvements you made. I watched a neat film this morning called "Return to Mount Kennedy". Between watching that and this This COVID-19 thing, I'm even more focused on doing the EC next year than ever. I have a question for you. Will you ever use this boat for that and if so, what happens if you need to row/paddle? Take Care, Steve Quote
Alan Stewart Posted June 30 Author Posted June 30 Well, it's finally happening. Started the boat in 2016. Then we converted over to the taller 2018 version. Worked hard on it for 2 years and even launched the boat briefly at the 2020 messabout and slept aboard at the dock. Then I thought it was happening in 2024 https://bandbyachtdesigns.substack.com/p/raising-boys-and-boats-its-finally but the boat turned into a table again. (funny how fast that happens). So 10 years it is. Henry is 5 now and heading off to kindergarten in August. James is 3 and we're all going to Raid Erie event at the end of the July. That was the catalyst for finally finishing our Core Sound 20 Mark 3. Below, the boys helping vacuum out the cabin. So using proper boatbuilding technique I've waited until just a few weeks before to finish it. Photo album is here which I've started adding to again. https://photos.app.goo.gl/22Tfg2WR5pTSBHyw1 On the list.... Glue down cockpit sole Install Tabernacles Build masts Build Centerboard Build Rudder Paint Hull, deck, cockpit and cabin Rig the boat Sail the boat Put boat on a new trailer. Maybe get dodger built Maybe pull a wind vane out of a hat I copied what i did on Graham's rebuilt 17mk3 rudder and installed integral pex tubing for the up and downhaul in the rudder cheeks which worked well. Tabernacles are assembled and ready for glass. 2 Quote
Steve W Posted July 1 Posted July 1 I remember thinking "look how fast that 20.3 build is going with Taylor's help. Bet if they had kids like me things would slow down.....". Jay, Pete McCrary and Chick's various projects were also shaming me back then. My frustration turned into just a "life happens, just go with the flow" mindset like Amos and others. I had a 4.5 year build. Life doesn't always go as planned. I hope when it's finished you have as much fun as our family has in Skeena. I hope to sail in your company at Raid Erie. Quote
Alan Stewart Posted July 1 Author Posted July 1 Thanks Steve, I'm feeling motivated and have been enjoying doing lots of "add to cart" activities. Keeping the pressure on and doing lots of small tasks each day. I need to be painting the cockpit in about a week and half so.... Tabernacles glassed, mast tube collars made, Rudder cheeks glued on, cabin shelves assembled with superglue then coated. I also have my dodger materials on the way and i even cut out a windvane rudder. The idea being to work on everything all at once so if I'm waiting for glue to dry I can just pick up another thing and work on that. Taylor is going to sew up our bunk cushions. The only question is where am i going to sleep? Probably end up in the cockpit. I'm not going to do nonskid additive and instead am going all in on foam decking. I've bought 3 pieces of this EVA foam diamond pattern foam same that i used on my plywood foil board and am planning to put that all over the cockpit seat tops, hatch tops maybe even some on the cabin top and cockpit sole. https://amzn.to/4art0uH Anchor and anchor roller are on the way and i've got most of my electrical stuff already. I bought an Ecoworthy 12v 280Ah battery which fits just about perfectly in the battery box too for power and about the cheapest per kwh for LiFeP04 you can get right now with good quality I think. https://amzn.to/4aYiYkU. I was happy to see this battery still makes Will Prouse's list recently. That gives 3.5kw of power to run whatever. Planning to experiment with a trolling motor, can run my starlink mini maybe an on board 3d printer. Still some room for a bigger battery but that'll do! Dodger hardware Quote
Jknight611 Posted July 1 Posted July 1 On board 3D printer…… Alan, you need to get out of the shop more! 1 Quote
Alan Stewart Posted July 1 Author Posted July 1 1 hour ago, Jknight611 said: On board 3D printer…… Alan, you need to get out of the shop more! I'm trying to get INTO the shop more. Normalize on board 3d printers! 2 Quote
Don Silsbe Posted July 5 Posted July 5 The foam decking will be very nice. Why don’t you consider the purple? It would be striking! LOL I have one question: You have the semi-elliptical openings cut into the side coamings just aft of the cabin bulkhead. How do you keep the mud daubers out? Quote
Alan Stewart Posted July 6 Author Posted July 6 Planning to store the boat in the garage so that solves that. Big Garage = fewer problems 1 Quote
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