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  1. Wow. I would have hoped our boats are worth a lot more than this. I was planning to list mine for 10k with a motor and trailer. Assuming these are actually in good condition these sellers are really losing on these and whoever gets them is getting a heck of a deal. Guess i'll just hold onto mine then.
  2. This is the other way you could possibly mount the float to a sea pearl. I did this successfully with my sleeve luff CS-17 when we were first testing the floats but I didn't take any pictures. Basically it's a PVC pipe with a slot on one side sanded nice and smooth that is a snug press fit over the top of the mast and sail. That creates a hollow PVC tube at the top into which you'd install the B&B float and aluminum tube. The whole thing would come off with a tug. Or the PVC could be a slip fit and you add a small grommet at the top of the sail leech and use a short lashing line to the top of the PVC pipe thus preventing it being able to lift off. Advantage to this method is no alteration to the sleeve or mast tops heck you wouldn't even have to take the sails off. But it would add the weight of that PVC pipe.
  3. Class 4 update: The leaders now enjoy Mrs. Macs. Congrats to all. A few very hardy souls sill persevere in the 10k islands. We will continue following closely. Spawn continues to impress.
  4. Greybeard and ChefRamen on the 17mk3 are poised to an immanent first place Class 4 finish.
  5. Day 4 Evening installment of the Class 4 EC 2022 update. The wind is a broken record. 10-15 out of the SE. The final tactical battle between the CS-17mk3 and the Thistle is heating up. It's still anyone's race. Florida bay is the great equalizer!
  6. SkinnyGenes and TheJuice (in the Thistle) have taken a pretty good lead of about 4 hours over the Core Sound 17 mark 3. They got around the corner first and then I think the wind probably picked up a bit making it that much tougher for Greybeard and ChefRamen. Anything could still happen but I know SkinnyGenes has got to be happy about this! Go Kip and Druce! Well Deserved.
  7. Thanks Padre for the re post and the pronunciation assist! Sorry I forgot to update this thread! Here are the video updates I've done so far. Most current was this morning. Tues 7:45 am. I've been posting these to the B&B Facebook page but if you don't to Facebook you should at least subscribe to the B&B youtube channel and then you'll get automatically notified when we post any videos. Update 1: (turn up the sound) Here is an update on our B&B Racers/Challengers in the Everglades Challenge 2022 as of this morning. Hope you Enjoy. Updated 2 (better volume) Monday morning update on the B&B Boats in the 2022 EC. Tough conditions continue. Headwinds will continue. First 2 boats (catamarans) have made it to Key Largo last night. Update 3 Update 4:30pm Day3 of the Everglades Challenge. Greybeard and ChefRamen lead the Core Sound Pack and are on track for a top finish. Unfavorable winds continue to stack up against the remaining competitors. I can hear mother nature now... "The beatings will continue until morale improves!" Update 4 (most recent) Day4 update. Leaders battle it out around the capes having sailed the majority of the 10k islands section overnight. The thistle is in the lead but Florida bay is a wild card! Greybeard, ChefRamen could still overtake. All have extensive Florida Bay experience. Meanwhile Brian and Paul show us how the EC should be done.
  8. Here is a list of all the Class 4 boats in the B&B family that are registered. I've been in touch with all of them this morning and hope to have some pics from them once they get settled in the starting lineup. https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQW9IgvLx6Uj7tdGW5wrfnU-TC_jGZyQWbd73ZWwzHtgsJmrygzU_qOVjSgtUZvpr0ZWsyf2BF-S3vS/pub The Watertribe facebook page has the most up to date pictures of course but Macatawa is cross posting them onto the watertribe forum so go there if you're not a facebooker here is the link to that. http://watertribe.org/forums/topic/ec2022-the-facebook-thread
  9. It sounds like it makes sense but for a small boat (like around 20 feet) I don't think it's practical. We typically draw our cockpit soles 2-3" above the DWL with a 1 degree upward slope with the boat level. It's possible to get a scupper under water but it would take 2 or 3 people in the stern corner. That's also assuming your scupper is right at the outboard corner of the cockpit. On the Ocracoke 20 you could "cross your scupper hoses" behind the aft bulkhead but that assumes you're using hoses which I probably wouldn't since then you're dealing with hose clamps that can fail etc. I'd go for solid fiberglass or PVC pipe tubes leading back to the transom. On the Ocracoke 20-B there is no aft bulkhead so the cockpit butts right into the transom. On Marissa the cockpit sole extends through the aft bulkhead cutouts for storage space and for cockpit draining. What I would recommend is building up a very slight rise in the stern corner of the cockpit or say 1/4" which could be done with just thickened epoxy or filler which brings the lowest point of the cockpit inboard about a foot and put your scupper there. Then use a check ball scupper valve if you're worried about water sloshing back in with a few people back there. Here is a shot of the Marissa and you can see the scupper location and the check valve scupper covers that where used. These just bolt over the scupper holes and a ping pong ball pushes against the hole when dunked to limit water intake.
  10. The Ocracoke build sequence is similar but we use a strong back that the frames are set up on and some completely temporary frames (green) which are removed and tossed after the boat is flipped upright. Also since the Ocracoke topsides are strip planked those boats (the ocracoke and outer banks series) must be built upside down on a jig and couldn't be stitch and glued. Marissa is all developed panels bottom and sides. Below is the Ocracoke bottom planking going onto the jig. In contrast, the Marissa was designed to be easier to build and thus not require the strong back hence the use of the cockpit sole. I'm not sure it's a matter of faster so much as necessary for a boat in this size range since Marissa's Hull is only 9mm plywood. If the boat was built up right you'd need just as much support in the form of exterior cradles to define the shape to keep it fair which would entail a lot of extra cradle parts and add to the cost. Why do that when you can just use the permanent frames and be done with it. Additionally the boat is already upside down so the bottom can be finished, glassed, faired, primed, painted and bottom paint and keel protection applied all before the flip. That way only one flip needs to happen whereas an upright build needs to be flipped twice at the minimum. I think the Marissa could be built upright with cradles as described and another designer and friend Adam from salt boatworks builds his kits this way. Here is a picture of his latest 18 foot kit. But you can see the extra cradle parts i mentioned. This build is simliar to our sailboat builds such as the Core Sound 17, 20 and the Mark 3 designs and could be adapted for the Marissa but the Ocracoke with it's strip planked sides would always need to be built upside down. Below, screenshot from saltboatworks 18' design.
  11. Thomas, Yes you are imagining it correctly. The Marissa uses only her actual permanent bulkheads to define the shape and the bottom and side panels are glued to these as well as the keel, chine batten and side stringer. We also use the cockpit sole panels as part of jig sitting on a pair of saw horses to keep the frames square to one another and to ensure the cockpit goes in perfectly. This is covered with plastic and then after flipping up right is pulled out so the interior can be glassed and epoxy coated. All of the interior gets a layer of 10oz glass (with extra glass on the chines). The frames and bottom stringers can be pre coated with 2 coats of epoxy and sanded prior to assembly but if done carefully the entire inside can be completed with almost no sanding. The key is to not get ahead of yourself and work neatly. Do one bay fully then move to the next always hot coating until you have the glass and 3 coats of epoxy done. Here is a short jig setup sequence.
  12. I just checked the plans for the Marissa and it looks like we don't emphasize this in the plans but yes you should cut the corners essentially of the bottom stringers off so allow the compartments to drain inward toward the keel. Here is a picture from the Marissa Construction album where you can see the transverse limber holes in the far aft bottom corner of the bottom stringers. I think you could argue that you don't need a bilge pump on the Marisa if you only go for day trips and don't leave the boat in the water. If you want a bilge pump then I think its just a matter of adding a small hatch to the sole under the motor well so you can drop in a bilge pump on a stick. Something like this (below) so you don't have to reach all the way down and you can remove it or inspect it easily.
  13. Yes that is a big problem (doesn't work when reefed) and eliminates it as an option for us if the boat was to be used for camp sailing or in an event like the Everglades Challenge when we are often reefed in high winds. Our very own Richard Johnson is about to do some testing with our float on his wayfarer an an alternative to the foam pad float in the sail as their club allows reefing while racing that brings up the issue of lowering the flotation. Our two sizes of floats are now available! https://bandbyachtdesigns.com/hardware-and-rigging/aluminum-masts-sailtrack/mast-head-floats/
  14. We've improved the float considerably since our first version. Currently we have a 20lb float and a 30lb float. Here are some pictures of one of the first 20lb floats. https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZTwr4HrRCWPGKpVj9 The 20lb would be suitable for the CS-17. The 30lb would be suitable for the 20 Mark 3. Both are assembled from 4 layers of CNC cut blue foam and "speared" with a piece of pvc pipe which makes for a quick and easy assembly that is perfectly aligned. Glass with 4oz cloth. The rotate very nicely on an aluminum "mast" which sticks up from the actual mast. Could also be side mounted on a mast that is not a B&B kit mast. Removes quickly with a cotter pin. I hope to have a few cut out at the mess about. A few have asked for these and it's just another thing on our list of things waiting to be added to the website.
  15. dd97, I am not sure if Cap't Bones is planning to bring his or not. If not then no there won't be one there. Doug has hull #2 but she's not ready for the water quite yet. -Alan
  16. Here is the current list of boats you're likely to see at this years messabout. Sign up and add yours if you don't see it here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQNHZyXYwXtqoK0od56zY75FNxF_9VUKYQ40F7PQXo2Onr8ZGtYdFAyzYqKnd2mmtlR70m_qCQdTXk6/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true
  17. More Here! https://bandbyachtdesigns.com/messabout/
  18. The boat was never meant to row. The sides are just too high to make it work. This is by necessity since we're trying to get the maximum volume we can above the CG for self righting also why the coamings/side decks are sealed volumes with hatches, so they don't scoop water. These volumes seen below in green. She will also float quite high in the water on her side but won't be on her side for long with the ballast tank full. It's a pretty big trade off not being able to stow anything under the side decks like on the standard CS-20 but the full self draining cockpit is certainly nice. She was just weighed in at 743lbs empty. The ballast tank is 550lbs
  19. Hey Dave, We still keep a few of those in stock yes but they aren't the default for the 20mk3 just due to the higher cost. There are cheaper options than the ronstan swivel cleat of course. I assume Reacher has the coaming mounted lateral jam cleats on his CS-20 which we still prefer for the open Core Sounds (15, 17, 20) and the Lapwing because they are always right at hand when sailing hiked out and they are very cheap and effective. As always there are lots of ways to cleat a line.
  20. We've been using 3/8" line for the Core Sound 20 sheets for a long time now. The length we're using right now is 44 feet for the Core Sound 20 Mainsheet at 2:1. We have this line available if you'd like to buy from us. We have it in white and blue. Here is a LINK. You can see it in the top of this picture below. We like this line for sheets because it's light, floats and feels good in the hand. It's not a "high performance" line but still has a MWL of 2000lbs. It is a 6 strand single braid. We don't use any 3 strand lines in our line kits. For sheet length we use 10 degree of forward sprit rotation to size the sheet length. But for the CS-20 I like to make sure there is enough sheet that you can let out the sail all the way from one side only. So say your sailing upwind sheeted fully in then you bear off and want to let it all the way out. You don't want to have to let it out from both ends to achieve this because you'd have to reach down the lee side. So we take that into account with the sheet length of 44 feet. If you go with 4:1 you'd need about 90 foot sheet line on the CS-20 to have enough let it all the way out from one side. Of course this assumes that the sheet is mostly centered on the boat to start with. I like to keep a whipping on the center of the sheet line so I can monitor how far off center it is and in a tack i'll occasionally make an adjustment to the sheet to keep it close to equal on both sides. On the 20mk3 which has a 4:1 sheet the sheet ends are cleated on the thwart as opposed to the coaming so it's not as big a deal to let some our from the lee side and for that reason the 20mk3 sheet isn't as long only about 70 feet. As for purchase we use 4:1 on the Core Sound 20 Mk3 mainsheet. The 20mk3 main is about 10 sqft larger. I also used 2:1 on our Core Sound 20 and in high winds it is a bit of hard pull on the mainsheet but I always liked being able to sheet in and out really quickly so I lived with it. The 4:1 sheet in contrast is a lot of pulling and it doesn't ease out nearly as easily in light air. Here is how we have the 20mk3 sheet. What I would do if you want to be able to use 4:1 on your CS-20 occasionally is replace the mainsheet with a longer one that can handle 4:1 and add attachments for a second block on the end of the sprit as well as in the center of the thwart. You can then either use these extra blocks to run the sheet as 4:1 or 2:1 depending on conditions. You can make these snatch blocks (although these can be quite expensive) so that you can snap the mainsheet into them and have 4:1 very quickly on the water or go the cheap route and have to remove one end of the sheet from the cleat and re-reeve it through the center block and second sprit block to get 4:1. That wouldn't be too hard to do on the water while hove to. A way to reduce the sheet length is to attach the upper block to the sprit via a pennant line as seen below. For a 2:1 sheet this reduces the needed sheet length by twice the length of the pennant line. The downside is when you gibe the block swings across at head height so be careful. For a 4:1 setup you need a double block on the spirt as we show and this is why we don't show it on a pennant line. That thing is pretty heavy and we don't want one smacking someone on the side of the head. Hope this helps!
  21. Click here for a google maps with Graham's Track on it along with some of the geotagged photos from his trip. He is currently 20 NM from the shop headed south near Hobucken. Click here to see his Current spot track
  22. The latest on Graham in case you can't see the Google Doc Trip report... Copy pasted here. Day 14 (6/8)- Exploring Chincoteague Island.... With the boat on the hook just south of the bascule bridge at the north end of the island Graham plans to inflate his “kayak dinghy”. Graham decided not to take his nesting catspaw dinghy specially made for Carlita because he didn’t think he would need it very much and since he’d rather not tow it it would have to be on deck the whole time blocking visibility and raising his center of gravity. He searched for an inflatable row boat but then stumbled on the kayaks. He was very impressed with this one and the paddle came apart into 4 pieces. It tracks well and has decent stability. Graham commented that the material feels sturdy and many people have used this kayak for multi day trips. And, the whole kit stows in his cockpit locker! Below, Graham inflates the kayak for the first time at the shop before leaving (left). Shea (the dog) inspects the seams. Below right, Graham tests out the kayak in Chapel Creek. Here is a link to the kayak Graham is using. Note, this is an affiliate link. Day 15 (6/9)- Welcome to Maryland. Chincoteague to Ocean City (27 NM) Yesterday Graham hit up the island grocery store on Chincoteague and got some ice cream. When he got back to the boat he was high and dry with the tide down. This morning he got an early start on the tide and pushed on north under the bridge and into the Chincoteague Bay making about 4 knots and using the windvane. Graham crossed into Maryland this morning. He continued on another 27NM to Ocean City where he stopped briefly as a small thunderstorm passed. When he got back underway the crew at the shop watched him sail past Ocean City Inlet on a webcam looking east toward the inlet. We could make out the distinctive cat ketch rig and red hull. He made it to the Route 50 bridge but decided to wait until tomorrow to tackle Isle of Wight and Assawoman bay. Instead he pulled off at a dock and refilled his gas tanks and filled his cooler with ice which usually lasts him about 4 days or so. There are more webcams with good views of the bay to his North so if you’re following closely you should be able to see him! This webcam with a view to the west from the Aloft hotel should catch him sometime tomorrow morning as he sails through Isle of wight bay. Aloft hotel webcam. We might also catch him on the Route 90 bridge cam. Day 16 (6/10)- Assawoman Canal BLOCKED! This morning Graham was spotted going under the Route 90 bridge. Graham sent in this picture of him motoring under the Lighthouse road bridge. Little Assawoman bay ahead. At this rate he may make it to the Assawoman canal today. 3pm update: Graham made it to the canal proper and called to say he’s blocked! Just past the Kent Avenue Bridge at the start of the Assawoman canal a fairly large tree is completely blocking the way. Graham has already made friends with some locals and I suspect he’ll have more help than he knows what to do with very soon. 8pm Update. Graham sent this picture. “First Cut”. Unsurprisingly, Graham isn’t about to let some wood stop him. Day 17 (6/11)- Unblocked! And waiting for favorable wind. In the morning this picture was sent in by Nadena Ament of Graham in front of the cleared tree Nadena lent Graham “all of her saws” and he found a capable one to make 2 cuts in the tree. Thank you Nadena! Graham then removed the log to clear the way. Below, a happy Graham on the North side of the obstruction. The canal is VERY reminiscent of our Harlowe Canal here on Clubfoot creek just across the Neuse River. Graham motored the rest of the canal after finishing with the tree and anchored in White Creek. He mentioned that his wind indicator suffered some minor damage during the lowering of his main mast and he was making a small repair to it. With the Assawoman Canal now in his wake but strong headwinds ahead Graham opted to spend the rest of the day on the hook in White Creek just on the north end of the canal. He is in the area of Ocean View Delaware. Graham sent in a video of the boat under windvane control in light wind in the Upper Chincoteague bay. The boat looks to be tracking very straight while Graham rests in the cabin monitoring. Click here to see the video. Day 18 (6/12)- Positioning for the Delaware Bay (15 NM) Graham is just 15.5 NM from the Delaware Bay. Once he enters the Delaware Bay it’s a 50 NM sail to the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal which he will use to cut across the top of the Delmarva peninsula and begin the second half of his circumnavigation. There Are still strong North East winds today with South East and South winds for the next 2 days after. Graham indicated this morning that his plan today is to move as far North as he can, which is about 15 NM away from the inlet at Lewes Beach. He’ll anchor there tonight and then do the Delaware Bay when the wind turns south again. Raising anchor: Graham mentioned the other day that he’s been able to do all of the foredeck work from either the forward hatch or the cockpit. He has led his anchor line back to the cockpit so he can drop and raise the hook without having to duck below and pop out of the fore hatch which is very nice on wet and rainy days so he doesn’t track water into the cabin. Below, Graham demonstrates the forward hatch on Carlita. Evening update: Graham made it as far as the US-9 Bridge which only opens once per day. He was able to call up the bridge operator and learned that it had just changed hands and was under new management starting TOMORROW. So Graham was put in touch with the new operator and they decided on 7am for an opening in the morning. Graham anchor in the canal for the night. Day 19 (6/13) - Stretching his legs in the Delaware Bay (49 NM *as of 8pm) At 8pm Graham was just over 4 NM from the start of the C and D Canal having nearly completed the entire Delaware bay in a single day. This morning, Graham woke and started to get ready for the 7am bridge opening when he looked over to see the bridge OPENING! He called up the bridge tender and said what gives? But turns out he was just giving her a test run, it being his first day on the job. He opened again for Graham at 7am as planned and Graham was loose! Finally able to stretch his legs in the Bay. At first he had little wind but it picked up and Graham took full advantage today. Graham sent in this picture and caption no doubt looking east into the bay at the ship traffic coming down. “We have plenty of company going up the bay” I took the following screenshot from Marine traffic.com of the north end of the bay showing the train of boats coming down some pleasure craft but also large barges and ships.
  23. Graham sent in this picture with the caption...”Missed it by only that much. Just 200 feet to deep water.”
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