CS17 mk3 and CS20 mk3

[Anders]

Oooooh. Nice!  But likely out of my price range ...

[LennieG]

Looks very nice Doug!

[Dale Niemann]

Doug,

 

Thanks for the up close and personal tour of your boat at Cedar Key this weekend. She is a beauty.

I think you have the right idea with the open cabin top and Oh what a big cabin.  Plenty of space below.

 

Graham,

I think you have a real winner on your hands with the CS mk III series.  Now, which one do I want?  By any chance will you do a real little pocket cruiser a CS 15?

 

Dale

[Chick Ludwig]

Hmmm, a CS 15 Mk-3 ! Would be great to see some competition for the Compac 16, Peep Hen, Potter 14 and 15, etc. Oh-No !!! Got me thinkin' it would be a good boat for a minimal, landlocked sailor like me...

[jpage]

Doug and Dale, I'd love to see some photos of the boat at Cedar Key! Wish I could have been there to get the tour with Dale!

Joel

[Doug Cameron]

It was never in the water, Joel.  No means of propulsion.  Lots of folks looked her over and asked questions in the parking lot.  I cruised with a friend in his Skiff America (beautiful and neat design, but pounds a lot with that flat bottom).

[jpage]

Still wish I'd been there to see the CS20, (and the SA20 as well!) Would love to see a profile photo of your boat, that's the one angle you can't get in the shop. And I could have picked your brain for thoughts on battary placement, now that the cooler/step occupies that spot. And oar storage. And transom top/oar storage interface. And motor mount options/rudder blade clearance. And slot cover options. And hardware placement. And mizzen mast stepping for those with back issues. And whether that is a storage area I'm seeing in the CAD drawing at the foot of the berths. And on and on... (The burden of building a prototype, you've been great about sharing the building process, and patient dealing with the never-ending stream of questions!)

 

Interesting about your SA20 experience. Mine has some handling quirks, like most boats, but pounding is not too noticable, except directly into a chop of about 12". Angle it a bit, or shift weight to engage a chine, and that pretty much disappears. And of course, I adjust my speed to conditions. Because pounding gets old real fast.

 

Joel

[Doug Cameron]

Still wish I'd been there to see the CS20, (and the SA20 as well!) Would love to see a profile photo of your boat, that's the one angle you can't get in the shop. And I could have picked your brain for thoughts on battary placement, now that the cooler/step occupies that spot. And oar storage. And transom top/oar storage interface. And motor mount options/rudder blade clearance. And slot cover options. And hardware placement. And mizzen mast stepping for those with back issues. And whether that is a storage area I'm seeing in the CAD drawing at the foot of the berths. And on and on... (The burden of building a prototype, you've been great about sharing the building process, and patient dealing with the never-ending stream of questions!)

 

Joel

If I was going to have something as heavy as a battery, I would put it low and in the center (front to back). Either the step option or modify the air tank aft of the water ballast.

Oar storage is part of the plan. The cockpit seat backs are open on the aft end so you can put oars (and maybe a boat pole) in there and not be tripping over them. I haven't yet sold the 20 MK I, so I have a set of 10' Shaw and Tenney oars, and I have a borrowed pair of 8 1/2' oars. I'll try them all and let you know when she is on the water.

I am not initially planning on a motor. My MK I has never had a motor on her transom, though I reinforced it for one. I like the challenge to my sailing skills. If I was to add a motor, I would add an external mount to the transom like Alan's 17 - get him to post a photo.

That is dry storage aft of the bunks, and a large space it is,

I have made a fiberglass/epoxy tube for the mizzen to guide it into the step. It is a little shorter than the MK I, and that was easy to step standing in the cockpit.

The only other slot cover I considered seriously was a double sliding hatch that would slide forward to let you in the cabin and aft to give you access to the mast and anchor. I guess you could have a barn door hinging to one side.

I will be installing hardware soon and will post pictures.

I think Ron Hoddenot posted a side picture of her on the trailer in the West Coast Trailer Sailors' Facebook page.

I hope that gets all the questions.

[jpage]

Thanks Doug for you patience and response. I'll check the WCTS site to see if I can find some photos. I'm looking forward to seeing more photos in the weeks to come as the final details come together, and "the means of propulsion" are raised.

 

Joel

[Jknight611]

Hi Doug, how is the build going? You have a beautiful boat and I sure look forward to your updates. After my visit, I am trailer shopping, found a dealer in New Orleans that will " work with me" on the spring rates and axle location. We will seen how that goes. I am working to complete several smaller projects and get my shop cleaned up to start in late October after the MessAbout.

Jay

[Doug Cameron]

Jay, I am at the camp in the North Carolina mountains where I teach whitewater paddling in the summer.  Staff training will be over this weekend and I will be home for three weeks.  I have finished painting the outside and the masts (the cabin interior will have to wait - it is encapsulated and I want to get her on the water and rigged).  I plan to finish the masts next week and maybe take her for a sail if I can get the centerboard rigged.  I have oarlocks in and want to see what length oars I will need.

 

Pictures next week.

[Doug Cameron]

Painting finished. Trailer bunks lowered and an extra one added under the centerboard trunk. Attaching parts (rudder , centerboard, oar locks, quarter oval on keel, etc .). Still needs rub strake and toe rails.

[Doug Cameron]

It has been slow - life gets in the way - working on Details

 

Snotter block attachment using dynema loop

[Doug Cameron]

Coming out party



Floating her to check out waterline, centerboard, and oars (I borrowed some 8 1/2 foot competition oars, but they were too short):



Then raising the #1 sail for the first time and figuring out sheeting (does the main sheet to the cabin top, the bridge deck, the mizzen mast or the thwart?). I am a firm believer in Graham's double-ended sheets. And the mizzen must be set on the transom. I will try using the thwart first.Finishing interrupted by a big thunderstorm.

Now I have to pack to go to camp and teach whitewater for five weeks, followed by a family reunion. Getting out and sailing is still a while off.

[sanmi]

Congratulations!  Looks beautiful.  

 

My Mk2 has double ended sheets for main and mizzen - they work great.

 

It looks like your rowing station is very similar to mine.  My oarlocks are about the same height off of the water and a few inches inboard of yours.  I sit on two boat cushions to get the right arm position but it looks like your thwart is a lot higher off the water than mine.  I made the longest oars that I could fit in the cockpit, 10'3", and I think they are about right.  Ignoring storage and just focusing on rowing I think they could be longer.  I added counterweights (zinc anodes) which makes a huge difference.

[Steve W]

Doug,

 

I check this site everyday looking for your updates! she's looking great and I can' wait for a sail report!

 

Take Care,

Steve

[Greekbuilder]

Hi Doug,

 

Excellent work !

I'm a new member and Graham and you were the reason I joined. CS20 Mk III looks like she's going to be my next boat.

So where are your new pictures ?

Can't wait !

 

Happy sailing,

 

Chris

[jmnorman]

Hi Doug:

Great build.  I am very interested in the 20mkIII.  I am 6'3" and 275 lb. I would ask a favor, could you take a couple of pictures of the interior with someone in the XL catagory sitting and  laying in the bunks.  I, and I am sure others, would greatly appreciate it.  Thank you in advance.

Jeff

[Designer]

Here is a picture of 6' Alan laying in the CS17 mk3 bunk. The CS17 mk3 bunk is 6'4 and the 20's bunk is 7'6" long as well as being wider.

 

The CS20 mk3 would be the better choice for someone your size.

[Chick Ludwig]

Any suggestions for an add-on cabin for my CS-17? The hull is built, but the deck isn't on yet. I'm leaning toward a permanent cabin rather than a removable cuddy. I don't want to raise the sheer. I'd rather be able to move around the cabin than have a raised deck like the Mk-3. I "camp"in the cabin and don't need full width living space, but do want seating headroom. I'll lower the seats in the cabin area.

 

I bet someone out there has done a cabin version. Looking forward to hearing from you.