Core Sound 20 Hull #102

[SUKIE]

Wes, I just love hearing about your outings, and especially about how you are absolutely thrilled with your CS.  I have your "Rogue Paddler" site marked as one of my favorites, and I refer to it frequently when I need a little inspiration.

Here's my short list before launching:

Sand, prime and paint interior

Install, epoxy, prime and paint deck

Build top 6" of mast (birdsmouth)(wish me luck)(I have NO idea how to do the figuring!)oh, then assemble mast

Build tiller

Install coaming

So, my launch date is May 11th. Do you think I'll make it??????????

Enjoy your sailing!! I'm envious!!

[PeterP]

Since no year was mentioned I can say -with clear conscience-sure you will. javascript:void(0);Best of luck PeterP

[wkisting]

Peter's reply is priceless--and accurate. One can never predict when the process will be finished, but you can safely assume you won't hit your target date because you won't have considered all of the tedious little finish details and steps (like meticulously sealing each fastener hole with epoxy, then bedding hardware carefully in bedding compound, etc.).

To be honest, our CS isn't even finished yet... I still haven't attached the rub rails or capped the tops of the masts.    Those are both on my plate to do, now that my semester is winding to a close and I have next week off before the summer session. I also have the second half of summer off from teaching, but in GA, that time of year is ungodly hot (too hot for applying epoxy, varnish, etc.) so I'm hoping to crank out the rub rails next week.

My target date for completion last year was the end of June, then the end of July, then the end of August. I think we were finally sailing--though not totally completed yet--at the end of September. 

Take your time in these last stages. Fight down the impatience. Your satisfaction with the finished product will increase in direct proportion to the care you put into the little, tedious finish work. Having learned lessons from the previous two builds (a kayak and a Stevenson Pocket Cruiser) we were meticulous in our work on this one. Though I'm no professional builder, there is still at least one moment--every time we take our CS out--that my wife and I grin and say to each other, "Can you believe we built this? In our backyard?" It's very satisfying, and the satisfaction increases when you realize that your backyard boat can also keep pace with, or pass, other folks' $60K manufactured sailboats. It's truly thrilling.

In the meantime, if you're ever in the GA area and in need of a sailing day, look us up. We're always happy to take folks out with us.

[Joel B]

Wes

That was a fascinating read.  I would have never related the tempest to colonialism.  I have a couple of classes where I think I am going to use the Tempest and some of the readings from the book to teach about colonialism and power.  Give me another good Shakespear read for a different play.

Thanks

Joel

[wkisting]

Well, one of my favorites is Measure for Measure. A lot of people don't like it because it's very talkative, and critics often criticize it as a "problem play" with serious structural deficiencies, but I disagree. The arguments for justice and mercy--and the difficulty of balancing the interests of both from a position of governance--seem as relevant today as they probably did in Elizabethan England. My Shakespeare students are always a little apprehensive how to approach it at first, but after one lecture, they suddenly feel much more excited about it, and many choose to write their papers about it. If you get into it and would like to read my thoughts on the play, I could send you a conference paper I wrote about it. One of my dissertation chapters is on the early modern theology of the conscience and how ideas of conscience shape ideas about power in Measure for Measure. I'm planning to polish it up and send it out for publication this summer, hopefully, now that I will finally have some time for research.

Glad you enjoyed the Tempest. It's a good one. Should have all sorts of tantalizing connections to colonialism and power. I always ask my students about the ethics of imposing one's morals on others. I find that they have been trained well by academic discourse to recognize the ills of imposing a European value system on a native people, and yet, on the individual level, most of them feel strongly inclined to accept Prospero's justification for imprisoning Caliban (who apparently made advances on Miranda) and to uphold the notion that Prospero's ethical system is "superior" to Caliban's. This makes for rich discussion when you ask how they can make such an assessment while still respecting the idea of cultural relativism and the right of native cultures to define their own beliefs/values/etc. as they see fit.

[Joel B]

Wes

I am not familiar with Measure for Measure so it sounds perfect. I occasionally teach an ethics and values class that would fit with this play.  I would love to read your paper.  Is there a particular edition with commentary that you recomend? 

The more I think about it I will be teaching a village and development class next spring which has a big chunk of colonialism and world systems theory.  I think the tempest with the commentary would be perfect for that class. is there a good dvd of the play?

It seems Ray is not a cultural relativist.  some truths are beyond culture. Although one culture's pantywaist is another's pragmatist that can survive multiple environments

Joel

[Ken_Potts]

And if Wes uses a motor on a Coresound.....

He'll be enjoying his boat without worrying about what other people think.  Somebody's looking at your plywood "sailboat" and thinking that any real man would sail a real carvel-planked boat - Do you take his opinion seriously Ray?  I'm sure he feels he's thinking in absolute truths, too 

[Ken_Potts]

  Don't worry Ray - I know you're kidding, too.  I just couldn't help jumping in.

[Ken_Potts]

And, as to whether someone is a Panty waist for relying on a motor on a CoreSound,  there is no absolute there either, it is only a matter of opinion..  But we all really know what the truth about that really is.

Yep - The truth is motors on Core Sounds are great!  Even my little 2HP pushes us along at a good clip and if it had a better prop we might get close to planing.  And who can argue with 12 hours per gallon?  ;D

I'm glad we're finally all in agreement on that issue! 

[Joel B]

My lack of experience in sailing is telling but I am going to put a small kicker on mine.  Maybe when I get some experience I'll agree with Ray but right now I wish the boat came with the nautical equivalent of training wheels.

[John Weigandt]

Lets see if I'm following Ray's logic...

If you put a motor on a Core Sound, You'll KILL G-D.... 

I just don't think that one should risk it.

John

[Guest LeeH]

If I firmly believe in the existence of G-d,  and another firmly believes we happened by chance with no deity involvement we can't both be right.  My belief will not create a G-d and the Atheists belief that none exists will not cause a self existent deity to cease to exist from fright at the Atheists belief structure.

One of us is wrong.

Not to be disagreeable, but, when arguing two unprovable positions such as these, it is quite possible you are both wrong. I'm jus sayin.

[wkisting]

Jeez, I go away for awhile and you guys wax philosophical... 

Heading out on the lake today for another pleasant day with the CS. I'll try to remember the camera this time so I can post some pictures. Maybe I'll even pose for a quick photo with my panty-waist motor. 

[Ken_Potts]

   Hey Wes,

   I went sailing with my motor today too.  I had a 3:00 meeting to get to but I squeezed in a bit of a sail beforehand because I knew I wouldn't miss my meeting if the wind died.  The wind didn't die and I never started the motor.

   Hey Ray,

   The panty waists went sailing today - Did you?  ;D

[Ken_Potts]

Work is for panty waists.  I'm going sailing tomorrow.  ;D

If you get pictures of the storage tubes (and the other stuff) be sure to post some.

[Guest LeeH]

Ray, I don't think you'd necessarily have to "know" the third option to surmise that any two blind assumptions, opposing or not, have a genuine shot at incorrectness. But if you insist, possibly all of existence doesn't even "exist"; instead is just in the mind of some third-grade booger picker somewhere. There's actual evidence of that: I'm a 58 yr old adult trying to make a living in a struggling economy, but all I think about is sailboats. What's the deal on that?

BTW, how about those stars in the sky? Really there, right?

[wkisting]

Hey Ray, what plans will you be using to make your oars? I'd be curious to know the planned dimensions for your oars, as I'll be making some soon too, if the weather doesn't get too hot too quickly.

Didn't make it out on the lake yesterday, after all, so no pics to show. But maybe today...

[Joel B]

Wes

I am reading the Paul Brown essay in the Tempest book you gave me.  Do you know what discapline he is from?  The book doesn't say but he references a lot of anthropological literature that will be useful in my class.

As far as the God debate, Kirkaguard said you can't reason your way to God. You choose to believe and act accordingly.  He is the one who coined the term "Leap of Faith" but I don't know if he owned a boat.  I am a practicing agnostic Zen Mormon and the reason i want a motor is if St. Peter didn't have the faith to walk with Jesus on the sea of Gallilee what chance do I stand in a Core Sound 20 without a motor?

[PAR]

St. Peter didn't have epoxy encapsulation . . .

[Dale Niemann]

Sukie,

Several years ago when I was building the top 6' of my mast I wrote about it here with pictures. I used the birdsmouth method.  However, if you cannot find it on this site I used the write up on how to do it that was in a long past issue of "WoodenBoat" magazine. You can probably go to the woodenBoat site and search for it or call them and they will be happy to give you the information.  If are able to determine the issue but can not find it, let me know and I will find and copy it for you.  I do remember the article was not titled birdsmouth but something like hollow spar building.

The method used was a table saw and using the measurements provided in the article, I did not have any problems.  I was totally amazed when the pieces just snap together.

Hope this helps.

Dale