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I don't think there's much comparison between the Goat Island Skiff and the Core Sound 15, besides similar length. I think a more fair comparison would be between the Bay River Skiff and the Goat. The CS 15 is so much more boat than the GIS-- side decks are one huge difference, for starters. The CS 15 has a deeper entry, a bow that doesn't hang up on waves, and deadrise to give her an edge to run on while level. Most basically, the CS 15 feels stable with four crew members, while the Goat feels stable with up to two experienced crew. It's a fairer comparison between the Bay River Skiff and the Goat, but the BRS is way more stable-- in that it affords one the opportunity to focus on things other than where to sit and which way to lean.

Mick, It looks like Sukie's helper is made of HDPE/"Star Board"/PVC/cutting board with a PVC pipe ring mounted on panhead screws.

I have a very simple recipe for a tiller tamer: Attach a cleat to the top surface of the tiller, about 2/3 of the way forward. Attach both ends of a shock cord to points near the corners of the transom. Use the middle of the shock cord to tie off to the cleat on the tiller. You can see the setup in this picture... though the tamer is disengaged at this moment. An 'S Wrap' works best to engage it-- you snag the shock cord on the right side of one of the cleat's horns, then run the other side of the cord around the left side of the other horn-- to give you an easily adjustable tiller, and it's super easy to pop off the cleat if you need to disengage.

Now that's some weather.

The guy who's selling it-- Tim is his name-- didn't post any pictures. Not sure what happened there. But I checked it out in person and it's a real boat(!) and Tim's a pretty nice guy, if not a bit shy. WWBaginski, that's a nice looking BRS17 you have. Looks like a fun trip you took in Finland, too.

So I took a look at the boat, and it's a solid setup. The hull's in great condition, the sails are in great condition, the trailer is in excellent condition. We've had some late-breaking family news that will keep us from buying, but someone is going to get a great deal on this... http://gainesville.craigslist.org/boa/5107731274.html

Philip, I figured out which website you referred me to... I clicked on the link that said "website" in your post! That BRS has #124 on its sails, so this is probably a different boat.

Thanks for the info, Graham and Philip! Philip, would you have any more info on Sam's website-- a web address, Sam's last name, etc.? Graham, I spoke with the current owner and he's offering the boat with a trailer and no motor. He mentioned the boat building class, and said the rig had aluminum masts with wood tops-- so they must have been added later.

I'm looking at a Bay River Skiff in Hawthorne, FL early next week when I'm down that way... The owner says it's hull #46 and that he bought it from a guy in NC fairly recently. Does anyone recognize that hull number? BRS #46? I'd like to get some more details on what materials were used.

3M 4200 is a good way to go for bedding deck hardware, mostly because it never completely hardens. It stays rubbery while sticking like the Dickens. That way, when you need to rebed the hardware in 15 years--or whenever--you can do it without taking off layers of fiberglass/paint/whatever. The other thing for deck hardware is to drill oversized holes and fill them with thickened epoxy. After they dry, sand them flush and drill new holes the right size. It's a lot of bleedin' work, but between that and the adhesive sealant you bed the hardware with, no water's getting in. Of course, all my experience has been with fiberglass boats with cored decks...

Do you have a board stretcher? That'd be the tool to use...

Good deal.

Great. Thanks!

How much wood is required to build the Bay River Skiff (15)? (I'm sure the info is posted/discussed around here somewhere...?)

It's so simple, it's brilliant!

On a related note, I have a well-loved fiberglass boat for sale... http://sailingtexas.com/201401/spaceship23106.html It's a '76 Paceship PY23, with a slotted keel/centerboard configuration that beats the heck out of a swing keel setup. She draws 1'9" with the board up, and you don't get that not-so-safe feeling that you do when you raise 450+ lbs and completely change your center of gravity. Send me a PM if you're interested or have questions. Jason

Here's a CS20 for sale in Buffalo, NY... http://sailingtexas.com/201401/scs20100.html

BTW, I am learning that the post button should be hit once, and then patiently waited on.

I definitely enjoyed the epilogue. Thanks for the good natured response! I think the thing that makes your boat valuable is the fact that you can only get one by building one or buying one from someone who put the heart into doing so. It's a proven design with scads of favorable qualities, so the supply/demand dynamics should give you a good resale value, as well.

I definitely enjoyed the epilogue. Thanks for the good natured response! I think the thing that makes your boat valuable is the fact that you can only get one by building one or buying one from someone who put the heart into doing so. It's a proven design with scads of favorable qualities, so the supply/demand dynamics should give you a good resale value, as well.

What a fiery topic! Love vs. economics, value vs. value, etc. vs. etc... the drama! I like the happy ending, but I'd love to read an epilogue... Did the new owner get his boat in the water? Did industry spies take a mold off the hull and set up shop overseas to pop out cheaply made, soulless, underperforming copies of the CS20 at a fraction of the price (they always look right, but never quite work right...)? Did the boat win the annual Stephen King Regatta after hours of intense leader-swapping? What a fiery topic! Love vs. economics, value vs. value, etc. vs. etc... the drama! I like the happy ending, but I'd love to read an epilogue... Did the new owner get his boat in the water? Did industry spies take a mold off the hull and set up shop overseas to pop out cheaply made, soulless, underperforming copies of the CS20 at a fraction of the price (they always look right, but never quite work right...)? Did the boat win the annual Stephen King Regatta after hours of intense leader-swapping?

Since we're talking specs... How much water ballast does the CS17 Mk3 carry?

What happened to the Mk2? Having seen the Mk3's (Doug's 20 in the water and the 17 in the shop) at the Mess-About, I was impressed with how much cabin could be gotten into those fast, light hulls. But I love the big cockpit and more traditional looks of the Mk2 and the Stewarts' Dawn Patrol. I'd love a boat that size, but my garage is 19'6" inside so storage would be an issue. Have any plans been drawn for a CS17 Mk2? I suppose one could add a cabin and water ballast to a CS17, but what about that extra freeboard? That extra deadrise?

Right back atcha, Paul. I had a great time meeting you and Dawn and ghosting around on your boat. And thanks for answering my numerous questions.

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