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  1. Good evening, Alan mentioned this thread to me the other day and have just had a chance to take a quick look. A couple of details caught my attention. 1) Had the centerboard not slid into the well, the boat could have been righted. Alan's line attached to the board is one way to retrieve the board if it slides in. Another way to prevent this mishap is to use a preventer line to hold the board down. It is separate line that works opposite the lifting line to hold the board in position. This can be found on Lightnings and flying Scotts that have weighted centerboards. To do this would take some redesign and probably removal of the cover/ top from the centerboard well. In general my preference would be a non-weighted centerboard and a way to positively hold it in place. Having capsized lightnings, I am not a fan of weighted centerboards. In our boats the additional ballast does not add a lot of righting moment. In summary once a board has slid in, it is difficult, even if not weighted to get it out. Better to keep the board locked down. 2) I have had at least two friends capsize with inflatable vests, and they could not get back in the boat with the vest on. They are fine if you don't have to climb back in the boat. A proper life vest is better. 3) Jibing. When it is time to jibe, turn the rudder only 5 degrees. Pull sails in half way. The jibe is slow ark. When the sails get light pull them across the boat. Jibing like capsize recovery, needs practice. Sometimes they go hand in hand. Also, death rolling is the result of a vacuum forming behind the sails. You can reduce the vacuum by allowing the sails to go forward or to bring sails in some. The idea is to let air get behind the sail. Finally, our Cs17mk3 is a great boat. We are fortunate as a group to have designers who are willing to go back to the design board to be sure we can all sail better and safer. Best Regards to all.
  2. I remember Liz commenting on the Graphics, they were done by my oldest daughter. She did our first graphic when she was 8 with a grease pencil. It lasted for 10 years.
  3. Tom, The photo is very nice. Also it shows your mid-sprit sheeting for the mizzen. Thank you for the photo and the idea. We have named all our boats after birds from our first boat Free Range Chickn' to our present Dinghy BlackSkimmer, and now the Avocet. I would like to build a Marissa and name it Kingfisher with a light grey hull and black boot stripe All in good time. I need to sail more now. Kind Regards
  4. Tom, Thank you. We had a very nice sail. Were you sailing as well? I just did a quick post on an idea I borrowed from you about the mizzen sheet. It worked well. Regards
  5. Continuing development : Addition of bridle for mizzen mid-sprit sheeting: Tom Lathrop' s idea A friend pointed out that in the effort to center the mizzen, I was bending the mast and putting a lot of leach tension on the sail, which effectively de-powers the sail. That is good when it is really windy not so good in light air. I came up with some very complicated solutions, contacted Alan and he suggested this as a first step. It is simple, and works well. This photo is only part of the story. I am willing to go into further detail if anyone is curious. The result is as follows. We participated in a New Year Day Regatta, with about 30 to 40 boats all in the 30' to 40' ranges. Winds were 9 ish to maybe 12 with some 15 later in the day. So very pleasant. I had two astute sailors on board and both agreed we were able to point with the big boats. We could not drive with them, which is no surprise. Average speed for the race was 3.9 knots, with two legs upwind, so pretty good for a small boat. The improvement was probably more in feel than in real performance. The impression was that we were pointing higher and there was more drive. That is what we wanted to achieve. It cost me two blocks from B&B and I was able to move hardware on the boat to make it work. In other words marginal additional expense. It does complicate rigging a little but I think the performance is worth the extra 3 minutes fiddling with lines. Regards
  6. Alan, Good morning. Have you heard if this event will repeat in 2019? Despite conditions last year, we would like to give it a try... we think. Regards
  7. I wanted drop you quick note. I was very good to meet you again. The workmanship on your boat is excellent. Please keep us posted of future trips. Kindest Regards
  8. My apologies for the very slow response. Yes I will be there. It will be fun to get out on the water as a group. I'm hoping I can talk Michele into it sailing then camping out down toward the sound. If not I'll need crew. Regards to all
  9. In order to add some ventilation to the CS17Mk!!! I stole an idea from Alan. I put in two 6" threaded clean outs. I also made a screen to fit on the outside. It was a simple install. It adds light and it does allow air to move. I do not keep my anchor forward so it works for me. I also plan to make a small scoop to push air in. I wish I could add more photos but it seems to be limiting me. Regards
  10. Kevin, I have a line on the back of Avocet that runs from one side to the other and between the rudder and the transom, above the lower gudgen. I expect that is not very clear. I will get a photo when I get home this weekend. I used the line as a step and grabbed the front of the rear seat on the cockpit. Also not a good description. I think it worked well. It would be better If I had a grab handle or ridge on the edge of the edge of the seat. Once again, this needs photos. All in all not too bad. I tend to try cheep and easy methods first. I will follow up this weekend.
  11. Alex Good evening. All the capsizes were done with the ballast tank full. I have only sailed the boat once with the ballast tank empty which was in light air. The boat seemed too buoyant. The result being the masts were rocking the sails could not draw. Even in light air I fill the ballast tank. The boat is much more settled. That is why we did not practice capsizing with an empty ballast tank. Perhaps at the Messabout we can. I Regards pS. The motor works fine. No problems from all the dunking. Michele and I have a renewed respect for it. It is excellent for docking and short trips down a creek. It would not be good for a trip where you needed to motor for hours.
  12. Alan, Thank you for the video and for setting up the Camp. It was a tremendous amount of fun. We were both really impressed with how easy the boat is to right, and the fact that no hatches leaked and the cockpit was virtually dry. ( It was drained by the time I got in the boat) When the gold fish design goes into production please let us know. We would like to have one. In rough weather, having the luxury of getting things sorted out before righting would be helpful. I hope that Capsizing will become part of the Messabout. It is a necessary life skill. Best Regards to all. I hope everyone enjoyed a good splash. Richard and Michele
  13. Alan, Good morning. Yes I will come. I am assuming I should bring my boat. I will get there on Saturday morning. I am out of town on Friday. Regards
  14. It is an amazing boat to sail regardless of revision and or sailing conditions. Keep that in mind as you go along. It has exceeded our expectations by along way. Kind Regards
  15. Don, Afterwards I thought about a gun and dismissed the idea quickly, for the same reason. I wish there was " Snake B Gone" . Regards
  16. Reefing and Snakes We went for a short weekend cruise to Swan island. The track is below. Very pleasant with a single surprise. We were getting ready to go on Sunday morning. Michele was raising the mizzen when I noticed a 3 foot snake tangled in the reef we had left in the sail. He was kind of stuck and not happy. We were anchored so no place to go. I got the paddle and helped him out . He grabbed the handle. I got him off the handle, then to the back of the boat. After attacking paddle a couple of times. He left. He did not look poisonous. Still, a 17 foot boat seems small with a snake on board. Anyone else have a similar experience? Any thoughts on prevention? Also I had spent the night in the cockpit so he could have just as well curled up with me.
  17. Good question. I plan to cut a form from OSB . I will lay out the curve. At intervals I will use a hole saw and cut hole just below the outline of the curve. I will laminate the beams. I will use the holes so I cam clamp the layers to the curve. There will be three layers of white wood from Lowes with layers of glass in between and on the outside. That will be the hard part. I will then cut front head and the tail. Epoxy and glass them together. I have never done this before so all of this is an experiment. Let's hope for the best.
  18. Thank you for the comments. Yes the idea was to reduce friction. Since the sails stays on one side of the sprit it is possible to have the reef lines on one side and not through the grommet. I attached my reef blocks on the sprit in according to B&B drawings. I co-opted this set up from my Wayfarer. We use similar kind of set up on the boom when we use it with reef-able main. I think it is an improvement, but there are always better ideas.
  19. Reef lines: The purpose was to reduce the effort required to reef. This is my mizzen sprit. The reef lines are on one side of the sail. They attach to the reef point with a ball with a figure eight knot. Also I used a block on sprit to lead lines to the cleats. Not a big change from original set up. It is better not perfect, at least for me.
  20. Thank you. Yes i will post photos. Need to find them. Yes the new sprit will be a wishbone. I thought I had posted a pdf. I did but it is in the text for some reason. Will fix that. I will be back..
  21. Just to follow up on a few things finally. My final changes to the reefing system did work. ( I have the reef lines on sails on the sprit side of sail, tied to balls on opposite side of sail.. will post picture if anyone is interested) It is also matter of technique. I have found it is best to lower the sail and snotter until very slack then push sprit up as the reef line on the sprit is being tightened. I have done this several times on the water and works well. ( Last time with winds gusting to mid 20's in a chop) As always, plan ahead. I have posted a sketch below. It is my perception the boat points better on a port tack when the mizzen sprit is to windward and sail has full shape, despite centerboard being offset to the port side. I feel like the boat has more drive. I understand this is subjective and have read all the comments to the contrary. There is also a large body of data out there suggesting sail shape matters. I'm not racing the boat but I would like it to better if it can be. I will build the mizzen sprit first. I don't see it will complicate rigging or reefing. It will take some time due to other projects in the way. I hope to have it by fall messabout. I would appreciate any comments on shape, dimensions, or designs or other sprit builds. Kind Regards to all sprit drawing.pdf
  22. I while back I posted some photos of changes I made to the sprits for reefing. It did not work well and did not solve the problem. Note: Please do not copy that idea. It did not work. We will play around with some other ideas. But want to be sure no one tried to follow me down and dark path. Best Regards
  23. I wanted to follow up on this. We were sailing on Sunday, we reefed both main and mizzen and would like to have put another reef in the main. Unfortunately the turning system I put in did not work well. I think the sprit is turning during the process and the very small cheek block on sprit angled and therefore causing the line to get caught. I will change that just a small block. I may also put a ball with a block on the sail at each reef point on the leach. Lines will run on just one side of sail( sprit side) for the reef. We will experiment and tell all. The other thing to note is that when we decided to try for a second reef on the main, the boat was completely wet and very slippery and the boat was bouncing around a lot. I think our problem is part equipment, trying to gear it to our strength, and technique. Reefing a sprit which moves is different from reefing a boom which is fixed at one end. We plan to make some changes, practice in the drive way and then on the water in easy conditions. Thank you
  24. tfrei, Good afternoon. Two weeks ago I was sailing with my wife, with the standard set up on my Core Sound 17, and she could barely get it reefed in. So we did a modification and added a turning block. Last Sunday I was sailing with my daughter, she was driving and we needed to reef. Even with the turning block it took some effort to get it done. But less force. Also the boat in those conditions is rocking around and nothing is easy. My fear with your systems is that you may not be able to reef when it is important, and or the line may get cut. Kindest Regards
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