kydocfrog

You are obvioulsy having more fun than ought to be lawful... DocA

Odd place to find one, but Westerly, an English firm, has specialized for years in small twin keel designs. They are exceptional boats. DocA

Okay, I see the 93 degree angle and how it can be used as a check on the basic construction. That's a start. (Going to be interesting standing on my head to check that...) I'm still not sure how everything actually works out. The 93 degree angle is fixed relative to the bottom of the boat, but is not fixed relative to the presentation to wind/water etc which will change depending on the loading of the boat -- stern heavy, bow heavy, etc. All discussions of mast rake that I have ever seen assume that the rake is relative to the theoretical plane of the surface of the water as described by the normal load water line and, therefore it seems, to the presentation of the mast and sail to the wind. There's no other way to measure it. The box in the weekender is would appear to be simply a construction artifact peculiar to the design that will result in a particular rake. The actual rake of the mast still escapes me. (I sure hope it turns out to be 93 when I measure it. There's not a lot of adjustment available; sort of none.) I was really looking indirectly for more information about the sail. Nothing in the 93 degree measurement of the mast relative to the rocker at that given point seems to directly account for the 80 degree included angle at the clew or allow one to verify it before cutting. Where's that number come from? If it makes the boom horizontal when the boat is at rest, then one would have to assume that the mast at rest sets at 10 degrees aft of basic plumb...a combination of the 93 degrees off the rocker and, I guess, three degrees induced by the rocker. DocA

Which brings me to a question. The 80 degree angle at the clew, assuming that the boom should be generally paralllel to the plane of the water, seems to mean that the mast should be raked 10 degrees relative to the plane. But you can't measure that directly because of the sheer of the deck. Does anyone have the actual angle that the rear face of the mast will make with the deck if all has been done well? Maybe I should be able to figure this out from the plans, but I haven't Thanks DocA

No, you don't take them off. They are useful. I, for one, asked to see them, and I appreciate your posting. And a 4 inch difference on the jib luff is not insignificant. Might explain part of why there seems to be so much variation in the way jibs look in various photos. Besides, in my copy of the plan book, some of the sail measurements are not readable - is that a 5, a 6, or an 8-- so I find these drawings useful. I appreciate both your curiosity in producing them to answer quesitons you had and your generosity in posting them. DocA

Thanks Much!!!! DocA

I would love to see them; either as drawings or at least as corrected dimensions. DocA

A permit to fire the cannons. A permit to fire the cannons... arrrrrrrggghh...arrrr.....awwwww...sigh... "Now and then we had a hope that if we lived long and were good, God would permit us to be pirates." Mark Twain. DocA :wink:

So when can we see a rigging and sail plan. This is so fascinating... DocA

Wonder what those bow anchor fairleads are made of? Gonna make myself a couple of those. They are really classy. DocA

Oh. Dock. Not rock. Good point. Now we do have a problem. DocA

You can untie the rock and toss it back overboard. I mean like putting a muddy anchor all drippy and yuchy in there... DocA

Oh man. That is so beautiful as to be nearly too much for small children or middle aged boaters to be allowed to watch... And while I can conceive of putting her in the water, using that anchor and then stuffing it back in the lazarette should be a punishable offense. On the other hand, that's my boom and gaff rig! That's what I'm planning for CG II instead of gaff jaws which, particularly since my mast isn't as round as I should have made it, could be a bit complex, fragile and sticky. Where is she? DocA

Re. stay sail. Ahh....I understand. That's cool. I've tentatively set up my mast to do the same. DocA

That's it. I missed it on the classified board. DA

There is a pocket cruiser on ebay; aluminum spars, really well equipped with a nice cruising interior and trailer. DocA

Tim, if you are still hanging around ever...haven't bothered you for a while, but I'm back. I'm looking at your photos (Alda stirred my memory) and I have a question. On the photo on the trailer, it looks like you have an inner forestay. On the sailing photos it's gone. Is that a forestay or is it actually your jib stay just in a temporary position? Thanks for the pictures! DavidA in Kentucky

Frank -- the sofware on the forum resizes? Every time I try to post a picture right out of my files, the forum simply rejects it as too big and then I have to go and cut and fit and loose stuff to get something on. I must be missing something. DocA

Ah. That's cool. Brings back a story. I don't have a picture, but when I was in design school at NC State, we used to have an annual junkboat race down the Neuse River near Raleigh. Our (my class's) high point was an old VW that we sealed up and dropped an old Wisconsin engine -- lawn tractor or some such -- in the back. Straight shaft out the back to a propellor and a belt drive take-off to a solid rear axle mounted on big old oak pillow bearings for the rear wheels. The axle tended to freeze up, but it worked -- sorta. The prop worked fine. The roof was cut away, leaving the window profile intact, all seats were removed, and the front wheel steering was retained. We got into the river, made the 10 mile course, and got out under our own power with probably six people on board. Elegant as all get out. It was a hoot. DocA

That's a sharp little design. Will be fun to watch as you progress. DocA

Awesome. Thanks for sharing these. DocA

That's a neat looking boat! DocA

I saw this on the news yesterday. This is the cruise ship that Princess Lines has just ordered...right? It's in Finland, or is it Sweden? DocA

I don't have much problem with linked images in the forums, but the gallery is still a completely closed secret to me. Is it actually alive? DocA

Hi, Greg! I didn't know there was anyone else this close. I'm in Versailles. Might have a Kentucky fleet going here, or is two just a task-force? I'm kinda stuck because of lack of heat also. But in all honesty I have to admit that lack of indoor floor space in my, shall we say clutter-challenged, garage is even more of a problem in weather like this when I can't open the door and spill into the driveway. I do figure that if I could ever have a week, maybe I could get to test launch phase. Right. A week. Dream on. I'm working on reconfiguring the mast hinge area now into a bit more of a braced/cheeked tabernacle layout. I also found a complete lack of anything decent in the way of plywood in the area. I bought Charlie Girl II with a semi-finished hull from very good marine ply. I know that before I found her I had about settled on a Jim Michalak design and had finally faced up to needing to buy marine ply. I also know that everyone says its a small part of the total cost, and it is, but it does seem like such a big check all at once... I did find two sources for interesting lumber in the area. One I can't remember the name, but he is over in the Louisville neighborhood area where the Thomas Edison house is. He's a custom cabinet making shop with several sailboats sitting in the parking lot. I bought some really nice mahogany from him at a reasonable price after swapping sailboat stories for a while. He shouldn't be too hard to find. There is a chandlery over there too, but mainly power boat bits and pieces. The other is Congleton Lumber in Lexington -- a no-nonsense lumber supply yard. I got some drop dead georgeous douglas fir there for my mast. They were really helpful and put in some time helping me sort through stacks even though I wasn't a real contractor. Highly recommended. You can get their phone number by doing a yahoo yellow pages search on lumber in Lexington. Perhaps we can continue to compare notes as the spring comes on. David Arnold, aka KYDocFrog Charlie Girl II