Mark Gudschinsky Posted January 9, 2004 Posted January 9, 2004 Where is the website with the paper Weekender models? Quote
Bill Posted January 9, 2004 Posted January 9, 2004 http://byyb.org/byyb/model/ I think Kevin has more than this for a site, and even has a small Cd with some stuff, but this would be a start... hope it helps... Bill Quote
Frank Hagan Posted January 9, 2004 Posted January 9, 2004 Kevin Green's site is at http://custompaperpocketyachts.k-j-g.com/ Quote
waynemunro Posted January 9, 2004 Posted January 9, 2004 I tried making a paper model while I was waiting for the plans to arrive for my weekender.. I have to admit that I completly failed to put it together... just a bit too fidly for me... everything came apart.. nothing fitted.. I tossed it in the corner quietly assuring myself that it would be much easier when it was full size... and it was though I have been meaning to make a scale model radio control weekender.. maybe next winter.. depending on how a bus->mobile home conversion that I am planning pans out. Wayne Quote
Mark Hughes Posted January 9, 2004 Posted January 9, 2004 I made a card stock model from the plans after I got them and before I had the money for the first round of lumber. It kept my momentum up and gave me a better visual of how things laid out than the two dimensional pictures do. I just pulled it back out to try out some different cabin fixture arrangements. Quote
Johannah Posted January 9, 2004 Posted January 9, 2004 Gee, Wayne, having trouble coming up with enough future projects? What do you do with the rest of your time? 8) Sounds like a lot of fun; wishing you were closer, though we always wish New Zealand were closer! When you build the RC yacht, please take notes, pics, etc. I'll bet others would like to give that a try. Quote
Barry Pyeatt Posted January 9, 2004 Posted January 9, 2004 I put together Kevin Green's great little paper models and found that they gave me a better sense of "Scale" to a full sized person. That helped me to make my decision to build the "Weekender". Before making a final decision to go that way, I downloaded the PDF files from Phil Gowen of the Weekender parts. From that sheet I enlarged them to a 1" = 1' scale to build a model to study. My plan was to make it RC until I got the actual hull together and came to the conclusion that it was too small to work well as a Radio Control sailboat. A better scale would be 2" = 1' or even better would be 3" = 1' (1/4 scale.) Either of these will be large enough to make sailing it possible with a two channel RC. One for rudder and other for main sail control. Keep the jib on the clubfoot. In any case for a RC model to work it will need ballast as the scaled down model will have too high a center of effort and not enough weight or resistance to lateral forces. Perhaps Ray could come up with some calculations on just how much ballast to be required to would make it perform well. Building the model was very helpful to understand the construction sequence and where potential challenges might occur. Bending the transom, bottom and deck to join were just about as challenging on the model as on the full sized Weekender. Adult fingers and a lot smaller areas and not enough clamps that would work well. But I have the model on my desk and use it for inspiration all the time. It has also proved to be a good tool for explaining just what I am building to people that visit. Maybe I will also do a fully functional rigging on it to play with some ideas for modifications on sail plans. :roll: :wink: Quote
Mark Gudschinsky Posted January 9, 2004 Author Posted January 9, 2004 Thanks guys for the info. I'm not much of a model builder, but I was wanting to build something while I was waiting for my plans to arrive. So I tried the paper Weekender model and ended up with a mess instead of a model. So then I printed out another one then went a hobby store and bought some balsa and modeling plywood, and built a wooden one. It floats and sail and everything! Quote
waynemunro Posted January 9, 2004 Posted January 9, 2004 I'd be keen to see some pictures of the model weekender Mark, you got any (and excellent to hear that I wSn't the only one to make a hash of the paper model)? And Barry, do you have pictures of yours online? Thanks for your comments on the scale, I was thinking about 1/8 I think, though 1/4 would be cool too, I reckon it'd be fun to have the peak halyard under R/C as well... not that I know a lot about R/C stuff, though I do have a spare 3 channel control sitting around somewhere.. No problems coming up with ideas for projects Johannah, only problem is finding enough spare time, if I could just get rid of this nasty addiction to sleeping in the night I'd probably be right.. have to admit that the other day I ordered plans for a hovercraft as well. Not too sure if I'll actually get around to building that one. Quote
Barry Pyeatt Posted January 9, 2004 Posted January 9, 2004 Wayne, I think this will take you directly to the photo in My Gallery. http://www.messing-about.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=169&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500 If not, then it is on page 2 of my photo gallery. I made the hull out of basswood sheeting and used hardwood dowels for the spars. The cabin top is removable to get to the servos and the battery box. But twice this size would be about the smallest that would be effective for RC sail, 1/4 scale better yet and you could probably use door skins (1/8" ply) to build most of it. I have a marine architect friend that builds a lot of RC models of projects they are working on and he feels that anything under about 36" in length is too small to work well under sail. I would have to agree, I have two other RC boats. One sail and it is 44" in length and a dream to sail. Over the years I've built a lot of hulls and variations to exact scale for tank studies on hull forms. Lots of fun and amazing to see what small differences can make in how a hull design can work. Quote
MikeStevenson Posted January 10, 2004 Posted January 10, 2004 At one point I got the bug to do an R/C Weekender also. I decided on 1.5" to the foot, I think, as it seemed like the right size for a small R/C boat. I suspect it may have been too small really, but I got side-tracked and the sheets of model plywood are still in the garage. I used an architecht's rule to loft the parts from the plans dimensions. It's pretty fast, and you can just read the ruler as you would a tape of the proper scale. I mentioned that I'm supposed to be scanning another set of plans. Here's a look at The Shennanigans, the boat Peter did for me when I was a bit youger than Mark G.! Shennanigans is on the left, and Peter's new boat to match it in pond races is on the right (The Zaca.) More shots of the Zaca: I'll get to scaning the shapes maybe this weekend, then I have to write instructions and put it together. It'll be a few weeks, maybe more at the rate I'm going. :roll: Mike [/img] Quote
Frank Hagan Posted January 10, 2004 Posted January 10, 2004 Finally! A Stevensons Projects boat with a full keel! Very cool looking RC models. I haven't ventured into that hobby but I had some friends who loved the gliders. Boats would be more fun, I think. Quote
waynemunro Posted January 10, 2004 Posted January 10, 2004 lovely looking weekender model Barry, and interestingly almost exactly the same colur scheme as my full size one I really must build one, give me something to do in the evenings when I can't make noise with the big power tools... though there is plenty of other work I should be doing.. hmm, we'll see. Wayne Quote
Bill Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 I downloaded the PDF files from Phil Gowen of the Weekender parts. From that sheet I enlarged them to a 1" = 1' scale to build a model to study. My plan was to make it RC until I got the actual hull together and came to the conclusion that it was too small to work well as a Radio Control sailboat. A better scale would be 2" = 1' or even better would be 3" = 1' (1/4 scale.) Hey Barry, Would you happen to have any of the PDFs or files you used to make the model? I can't seem to get through to Phils site and thought you may have something already enlarged I could try. I did a Herreschoff 12/ 1/2 last winter and will probably be doing a Friendship this winter. In the meantime I thought I'd give a weekender a whirl from scratch. I can get extra parts (Blocks, wheels, woods etc., from Blue Jacket Ship Modelers), as they are only about a half hour from my house.. Here's a link to them if anyone is interested: http://www.bluejacketinc.com/ (order their catalog, it's got some real nice stuff) Heres a few shots of the herreschoff... thanks Bill [attachment over 4 years old deleted by admin] Quote
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Barry Pyeatt Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 Bill,' That is one pretty model. I think that would be a fine addition to anyones study. I'll track down the link for the PDF drawings and post it for you. If I can't find it, I'll have to wait till I get back home in March to locate my enlarged drawings from it. Although, If I build a quarter scale model of the Weekender or Vacationeer I will take the measurements off the plan sheet and do as Mike Stevenson did, use an architects scale to loft the model parts. I'll get the Bluejackets catalog. It would be great to be that close that I could haunt their showroom. Afraid I would be a really good customer. I'm looking at building a quarter scale Friendship as well. Quote
Barry Pyeatt Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 OK Bill, Think this will take you right to Phil's PDF File. You will need Adobe Acrobat to download it. http://www.pragdata.com/philboat/WeModel.pdf I took the printout from this file and took it to my local photo copy shop and enlarged it so that the scale was 1" = 1' (1:12). Then just copied the drawings to the basswood sheets. Same thing could be done to make the drawings 3" = 1' (1/4 scale). Phil has a great website with some excellent drawings that he did to aid in the building of his Weekender "Aloha". Also some great photos of his visit to the Puget Sound area to go sailing on a great classic schooner. I did this while awaiting the plans and video from Stevensons. I was amazed at how close it came out to the plan versions. Quote
Phil Gowans Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 I have 2 pdf (acrobat) files on my web site. I have found that they don't always display properly. When I upgraded to IE 6 they stopped working. My Netscape still works. There seems to be something a bit non standard about the way the files were generated and I don't think they are completely compatible. I don't really understand what is going on because the files can be displayed with Acrobat reader directly, but not through IE. I have thought about regenerating these files, but there seems to be little interest in my site and have not had any comments about things not working, so it seemed best to leave things alone. If anyone wants a copy I can certainly e-mail them a copy. Quote
capt jake Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 Timely topic for me as I recently pulled a wooden model out of storage taht I started on three years ago! :shock: I just got all of the spars completed and all of the standing rigging. I have to sew up 5 sails and then start on the running rigging. Nearly 24" long and at least that in hieght! Quote
Tom Holder Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 . . . but there seems to be little interest in my site and have not had any comments about things not working' date=' so it seemed best to leave things alone . . .[/quote']Just don't take it down - I still go there and admire your boat once in a while. I'd have to say that your work was the one that tipped me over the edge to buy the plans and start dreaming a little harder. th Quote
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