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Dave, THANKS Hot dog, like Paducah is just right down the road. Well, sorta. But hey, it is closer than Michigan. Gotta check this out!

Since someone mentioned trailer sailing...I'm starting to look for a trailer. What make/model are we looking at sitting under this remarkably attractive boat? DocA

I second the Duckworks Mag reference. Max, the guy who does the old outboard series for them, is to notch. Of course, I bought a Seagull. DocA

Chris I agree. The scruffie site is one I had called up before and those two boats are having a significant influence on the direction I'm taking Charlie Girl II, including the extended hatch soft top and, in my current thinking, the boomless lug rig, although I may go with boomless gaff. The double headsail rig is neat too. Tim; another design to filch ideas from is Atkin's Red Onion; an 18 o.a. foot, flat bottom (modified sharpie sort of hull) gaff cutter; 17 on the waterline but with the kind of crisp, old fashioned camp cruiser interior you would expect from an Atkin design. I think the website is under atkinco DocA.

Sigh also. So close, so far. I will be at our college commencement. Between finals and graduation and all the rest of the spring silliness, May is a bad time for us academic woofs. When we hear someone sing "It's May, it's May, that lovely month of May..." most of us have to resist the urge to put them out of their misery... :wink: DocA

Those are both really neat and simple. Gotta do some drawing here... Thanks. DocA

Westerly designs (an English series) have used the bilge keel approach for years quite effectively. The Brits have a lot of harbors that dry out with tides I gather, so the boats with bilge keels don't make you spill your pint at low tide. It's an intriguing idea, though Tim's point about the trailer issue is a bit problematic. I would think you would need a couple of pretty substantial strongbacks (keelsons? false keels? deadwood?) in the interior. Wouldn't think that simply driving some keel bolts through the basic ply floor would be adequate. DocA

My mount pivots up and the motor (my much maligned seagull, I add) also pivots up to a trail position. Just off the top of my head I would see a linkage that was permanenty attatched on a universal of some sort to the motor and then, when the motor was down, swung over and dropped over a pintle arrangement on the back of the rudder box. what do you do those wonderful sketches in? DocA

never mind, it just appeared.

Dave in RI Lost the link on your last post to the dreaded little redx.

Hmmm...gotta think on this. I have one of those spring mounted things too, but my gut check when I test fitted the motor is that I put it too far inboard and I'm going to have discussion between the prop and the rudder. My initial thought was pull the rudder up and steer with the motor, but I like this linkage idea. DocA

You know, people built plywood boats for years without this stuff fibreglass and epoxy stuff... Doc A

Holy cow... :shock: DocA Awed in Kentucky

Tim; awesome... DocA

Grin. The standing on head in the hatch does ring a bell with me. I had to make somewhat the same modification to the stem after I bought Charlie Girl II as partially finished hull. I always thought it might have been easier if done first. DocA

I'm not terribly far along, but I have determined a couple of things. I've made a major change to the cabin companionway and hatch. You can see the start of this mod several threads back in a series called "extended hatch/soft cover." I based it on a design called Stornoway that you can see at www.scruffie.com, a boatbuilder from somewhere downunder. I have also pretty much decided to go with a loose-footed, i.e., boomless, main -- possibly even a standing lug rig. There are a number of examples to look at, but again Stornoway with her standing lug and double head sail rig is what has caught my eye. Finally, look really hard at Tim D's set up. If I get the nerve, I'm going to cut a daggerboard rig similar to his, although I think I may use a long, narrow ballast box running directly over the keel so that I can bring the board closer to the center line. There's lots of really great small variations floating around on this website and the other ones. Cheers. DocA

I don't think the optimism is misplaced. Looks good to me, but I would suspect that if you really want to scoot along the snowpack under sail, you will probably have to take her off the trailer... DocA

Hey, wait a minute. Back a week or so ago in the what are WE shortcoming thread I made a comment about the lack of full transverse bulkhead on lazarret (sp?) and other watertight compartmentalization. I seem to remember folks really chiming in on about how you don't do water tight compartments in wooden boats. That kind of made sense...I guess...now we are back to lots of watertight seat backs, etc. etc. Odd I think that I am going to put some sort of removable (inflated maybe) flotation in the footwells from the cabin. DocA

Actually Tim the only design...something or other called the Swiftsure... dont know if its still available but boy it was a great lookin wee design plenty of strings and a stunning sillihete Oh, indeed! Wouldn't a Swiftsure be an absolute HOOT! DocA in Kentucky

Cool. Looking forward to seeing the design. DocA

Cool. I just learned a new nautical term plus what looks like a really good design detail. Thanks all.

Interesting point about the vang, which I am considering. I like the swivel support plate which probably actually has a nautical name. I'm going to really think about that. DocA in Kentucky

As was just pointed out to me, check to see that the postioning is far enough outboard to keep the rudder from swinging into the prop. There is some discussion of this and some photos from folks in the tread called extended hatch / soft cover from a few days back. I'm thrashing with same issues, including having a long shaft motor and a swinging mount. I think I misunderstood a couple of measurements there. DocA in KY.

Ah fer.... Yup; I'm looking at the prop and rudder thing and all those holes I drilled in the transom. I' thinking I am going to have to move the mount. And, unusually enough for me, all the holes lined up exactly. The reason for worry about the shaft length is that the mount is in the raised position in the photo. I guess it could stay there. Someone mentioned dragging in the water -- the Seagull does have a pivot/latch to swing the whole thing up into an angled trail arms sort of postion. I'll start on the hatch coamings as soon as I can. Got a lot of the uncured epoxy mess cleaned up this weekend. Cheers. Doc A

Well, I still get these in reverse order. Third is a shot showing the extended cabin hatch opening. There will be a coaming running fore and aft on each side and across at the forward end extending a couple of inches up. That frame should insure structural rigidity. The semi-slot top that results now lets one walk forward comfortably to within working distance of the mast without having to go to side deck or cabin roof. The soft cover will stretch across and tension on snaps like an auto toneau cover. Also shown is my controversial Seagull. I have a bad feeling that I blew some early measurements and the long shaft may turn out to be a problem. We shall see when I get to the stage of checking C.G. II out to see if she actually holds water. I hope things work. I do have a soft spot for such an elegant and effective piece of industrial design. Oh well. Also the port and starboard lazarette hatches show and the rather massive gun'l/toe rail. And first, which should have been third, a graphic example of why I pretty much only work when the sun is shining... Doc A in Kentucky