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  1. Randy Jones

    CS17 on Craigslist Beaufort

    Like new CS17 with trailer for just $3,500. I doubt he will even cover materials and trailer costs.
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    Capt Bones Core Sound 17 Mk 3 #14 Kit Build?

    Your progress is impressive. I've never gotten epoxy to fully cure overnight, but of course I'm not in VA. Be careful about sanding epoxy too soon - that's some nasty stuff.
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    Capt Bones Core Sound 17 Mk 3 #14 Kit Build?

    I had no trouble with the "new method". Are you going to paint the mast before mounting the sail track?
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    Capt Bones Core Sound 17 Mk 3 #14 Kit Build?

    enjoying your thread. I avoided the two part paint as well in favor of a traditional oil enamel from Marshals Cove and appear to have gotten away with it. Just couldn't accept the limited colors available in the two part paints. Only advice I can offer is that the systems three water based silver tip primer worked well as a base for my enamel. Dries quickly, no stink, and the Marshals Cove enamel liked to stick to it. A lot to be said for using water based primer and saving the stinky stuff for the top coat.
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    Seattle CS17 Mk3 Launch

    Oh boy. talk about opening a can of worms. Hull speed in knots is 1.34 x the square root of water line length in feet. For a 16'-10" CS17 M1 that works out to 5.5 knots. I believe that means you start climbing the bow wave and begin partial planning above 5.5 knots but don't reach a full plane until some higher speed. My CS17 experience is the boat feels "lighter" at about 7 knots and above 8 were certainly planning and anything faster is just crazy fun.
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    B&B's first annual "Capsize Camp" July, 20-22

    Graham, Thanks for responding. My thought is to do a shallow water test on a sandbar and see if I can find the equilibrium point with the board up and 80 pounds of batteries mounted on the forward floor. If that goes well I'll try it in water deep enough to put the board down. I'll follow up after testing. Randy
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    B&B's first annual "Capsize Camp" July, 20-22

    Has anyone capsized tested a Belhaven 19? Calculations say stable to 80 degrees before the batteries, fuel, extra lead in the keel, and of course the wine cellar and hot tub. She behaves so much like a keel boat that my 200# on the rail doesn't result in much heel. After a few years of comfortable sailing I've become complacent. Left wondering after reading these posts if she would really roll on over if pushed to 80 or 90 degrees. Certainly not much buoyancy in the mast. I think I will tighten up the lockers and round up some "rail meat" for shallow water testing. Randy
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    topping lift for cs17 ?

    On my CS17Mk1 I use the mizzen staysail halyard to hold up the end of the main boom. For the mizzen I untie the mizzen halyard and attach it to the end of the mizzen boom while using the mizzen sheets to prevent sway. Similar for Belhaven except the end of the mizzen boom sometimes rest on top of the folded bimini. I also put a sail tie around the mast and boom to prevent the boom from banging against the mast.
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    Advice on motor mount CS17

    10 years myself with no motor, but there are times it would sure be nice. Does that three legged thing seem solid once mounted and can you tip the long shaft motor up and keep the propeller out of the water?
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    Core Sound 20 Mark III #3 "Jazz Hands"

    If you're looking for green I recommend Marshalls Cove "Martha Green" available from duckworks. It is a good old fashioned oil based marine enamel that looks good rolled and tipped. Rich, soft color unlike the fancy paints that seem to come only in primary colors. Mine went on beautifully over the two part system three silver tip yacht primer. Paired it with varnished mahogany rail, System Three San Juan Tan on the deck and burgundy canvas. The green does heat up in the sunlight but it hasn't been a problem here in Seattle. Your progress is impressive, keep up the good work.
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    Belhaven or CS 20 Mk 3

    Brent, I've got Scott's Belhaven 19 now and like it almost as much as he does. I think the major considerations between the two designs you're comparing are: B19 advantages: The feel and comfort of a keelboat in a beachable 19 feet boat. Cabin is crazy big for a 19 foot boat and holds six adults for happy hour. Bimini is choice shade. Comfortable double berth with Pilot berth for a third crew. B19 compromises: The lead keel is obviously always present. You've got to tow it around and drag it thru the water where it adds wetted surface area and doesn't provide any meaningful lift. I have a hard time keeping up with other sailboats in light air but catch up once I breakout the mizzen staysail. I can plane in heavier wind but have not gotten much over 7 knots. That's faster than displacement boats but can't touch the Mk3. Have to have an outboard. Must go forward along a narrow side deck to access the anchor and mainsail depending upon how you set that up. CS20Mk3 advantages: Faster, points higher and probably just a better sailor. Easier tow, safer forward access via the hatch. Could omit the outboard if you like to row. I suspect CS plans are better developed and you don't have to cast a keel. CS20M3 compromises: Less cabin volume, perhaps no Bimini. May not be the gathering spot for happy hour but I suspect it is adequate for a couple. Both good choices. enjoy.
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    Trailer for Core Sound Mark 3 boats.

    Dave, I did not modify the bunks for the Belhaven trailer. Laid flat the way they are, they deflect pretty well to match the bottom of the boat. My thinking was to have the good support beneath the 350lb keel and then hold the plywood portion of the boat up with the bunks. One annoying aspect of bunk set-up is that the bolt holes for height adjustments are in one inch increments. I got it close but should really go back and put a spacer between the bracket and the bunk to get the forward elevation of the bunk correct. Lots of "trailer trial and error", really no other way around it. One last recommendation specific to the Belhaven - Since she needs 10 inches to float and is pretty big to push around you really want to keep the boat as low as possible on the trailer or you won't be able to launch at shallow ramps.
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    Trailer for Core Sound Mark 3 boats.

    An additional photo that didn't post first time around. I float on to this position then crank in the last few feet. Build more Belhavens.
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    Trailer for Core Sound Mark 3 boats.

    I received a PM requesting info about my Belhaven 19 trailer and thought I would share it here. Trailer is a year 2015 Easyloader EZB 17-20 3100 with two adjustable cross members, two keel rollers, disc type surge brakes and 15 inch wheels with oil bath hubs. The boat sits between the fenders with the bottom of the keel about 14 inches above ground. The plank up front is where the keel rest. You'll notice in the photos that the rollers have flattened out which is fine since I don't want to push 1,200 pounds of boat off the trailer anyway. Everything is working fine even if it looks like MacGyver did the modifications.
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    Trailer for Core Sound Mark 3 boats.

    I have the oil bath bearings on EZ Loader trailers for the Belhaven 19 and CS17. They have been trouble free for years and still showing oil half full. Also a big fan of the LED lights. I'm a lazy "float on", "float off' guy. I've mounted a 2x12 plank down the middle of the trailers and it works well as a walking ramp during retrieval. Even with boots on, keeping your feet out of the 50F water is important for winter sailing because you'll never get them warm again. On the lighter boat (CS17), I built a simple frame to rest across the cockpit where the straps cross it. This allows me to strap the boat down tight enough to prevent it bouncing around on the trailer. The ratchet strap tie-downs stay fixed to the frame which also saves a few minutes each launching. I say go galvanized and don't spend a moment worrying about getting the trailer wet. A million ways to do this and they're all right.

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