capt jake Posted February 25, 2003 Posted February 25, 2003 OK, Tom probably has this right at hand but this is here for all; What is the 'proper' size to put the ID numbers on the side of the boat (ARRGGG)? Spacing also?....Placement, position... Tom mentioned that the HIN needs to be on the transom on the starboard side; what size, placement, etc?? Any other 'hidden' things I need to consider before bowing my head before the 'Revenue' dept???? Quote
Stuart Benbow Posted February 25, 2003 Posted February 25, 2003 slip the guy behind the counter a $20 to make the paperwork go away :wink: Quote
Guest Dan Bozza Posted February 25, 2003 Posted February 25, 2003 According to the USCG in their Sailing Fundamentals book, page 27, it says; "An alpha-numeric sequence (the registration number) is provided on the certificte of registration. [This is issued by your state.] It usually consists of three groups: two letters (indicating the state), up to four numerals, followed by one or two additional letters. Registered vessels must have their registration number painted or permanently attached on both sides of the forward half of the hull. This registration number must be clearly visible in block characters (in contrasting color to the background) at least three inches high, which can be read from left to right. The three character groups must be seperated by a space or hyphen. Most states issue a decal, along with the registration, which identifies the expiration date of the registration. This decal must be affixed in close proximity to the registration number. Sorry for all the legalese, but that is what it says. Quote
capt jake Posted February 25, 2003 Author Posted February 25, 2003 at least three inches high, which can be read from left to right. No specific spacing then, I assume? I just got off the phone with.... many members of our State.....ARRG . They no w tell me that the value is established by the dollar amount of MATERIAL that you purchased to build it. Now that is a new twist!! I must rethink my pile of receipts!!!! Maybe throw out a few, or a bunch!!! What about the HIN??? Quote
Guest Dan Bozza Posted February 25, 2003 Posted February 25, 2003 The hull identification number must be permanently attached to the transom on the starboard side, above the waterline. The number MUST [my emphasis], also be located in an unexposed location. The vessels HIN should be recorded by the owner - it may be helpful in identifying a lost or stolen boat. From the same book - page 28. You are also required to display a capacity plate RE: # of people or #'s, total weight of people motors and gear and the max hp allowable, on most monohull recreational motorboats less than 20 feet long. Anytime you hang a motor off the back of these little sailors, they are classified as motorboats by the CG. Quote
capt jake Posted February 25, 2003 Author Posted February 25, 2003 OK, not poking at you; also be located in an unexposed location Unexposed??? Right!!? !! LOL You are also required to display a capacity plate RE: # of people or #'s, total weight of people motors and gear and the max hp allowable, on most monohull recreational motorboats less than 20 feet long OK, help me out on this one; "I don't know!!" It was never stated in the plans.... To me this is getting rediculous, but any answers that I might put onto the HIN plate??? "boating is dangerous" "Water is a hazardous material, in certain quantities" "Dis-connect trailer from boat before sailing" Dan, I am not poking fun at you. Please don't take this wrong!! I greatly appreciate the information!! I find some humor in the way it is written.. LOL Quote
Guest Posted February 25, 2003 Posted February 25, 2003 See how easy that was, Jake. The HIN should go in two places. One should be inside hidden or in a locker, and outside, starboard stern. We make them with a engraving style plate, but you can engrave them with a dremel, also, and paint over them. Usually the paint-fairing, which I know you have plenty of that on it, is thick enough so you won't hurt your baby's gl-ass. Quote
capt jake Posted February 25, 2003 Author Posted February 25, 2003 Good point sir Oyster!! Now I need to find that 'place'!! it, is thick enough so you won't hurt your baby's gl-ass. Quote
Charlie Jones Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 You are also required to display a capacity plate RE: # of people or #'s' date=' total weight of people motors and gear and the max hp allowable, on most monohull recreational motorboats less than 20 feet long. Anytime you hang a motor off the back of these little sailors, they are classified as motorboats by the CG.[/quote'] I am a registered boat builder, and just three weeks ago had the annual visit by the Coast Guard to my shop to go over regs, etc. It happens we discussed this exact detail. On canoes, kayaks and sailboats of any kind, that capacity plate nor the tests for capacity are required. There is also NO requirement for floatation in any boat made as a sailing vessel, a canoe, or a kayak (by the USCG) This does not apply to vessels built as motorboats. They DO require all of the above. Which is why I ONLY build sailing or paddling vessels Strangely enough, if you build a pure rowing vessel, you must include flotation in the boat. Go figure!! Quote
capt jake Posted February 26, 2003 Author Posted February 26, 2003 Very good; keep those cards and letters comin'!! Thank you Charlie!!! Quote
Frank Hagan Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 Jake, I went to Office Depot and bought two brass "nameplates" that are about 3/4" x 2" long that I had engraved with my Hull Identification Number on (HIN). I routed a slight recess the thickness of the plate (1/16") into the transom, then epoxied the plate on, covering it with several coats of varnish. The other "hidden one" is inside the companion way seat (or box, whatever it is). For my registration numbers, I just used some "Boat Vinyl Lettering" I got at WalMart, made specifically for this purpose. They "self align" so you don't have to worry too much about that. I didn't do a great job with it, but I've never had anyone mention it when they are up close admiring the boat. Quote
Guest Dan Bozza Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 The Coast Guard uses the following formula for calculating the maximum number of people who can safely ride in the boat on a CALM [emphasis mine] is to multiply the length (in feet) by the width (in feet) and divide this by 15. Round the result DOWN [my emphasis] to the nearest whole number. They assume that the average person weighs 150 pounds, yea right, so multiply the number of people calculate above times 150 and you have the maximum pounds figure. Then add up the maximum pounds of people, motors and gear and you have maximum total weight. Maximum horsepower of the motor is the maximum horsepower specified by the designer or manufacturer. Now, Jake , in answer to your next question about whether or not you should include the bowsprit in the length, I can only say, CALL THE COAST GUARD. [/b] Quote
capt jake Posted February 26, 2003 Author Posted February 26, 2003 Now, Jake , in answer to your next question about whether or not you should include the bowsprit in the length, I can only say, CALL THE COAST GUARD No, the State says total overall length. Can't go with the removeable bowsprit theory! Thanks for the information. Quote
Stuart Benbow Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 I'd have to say that regardless of what the coastguard considers, for personal peace of mind, I'd judge it without the bowsprit. Just from the end of the stem, simply because a bowsprit isn't going to do much for people trying to find a seat, nor keep the boat afloat. Just my 2 cents worth. No legal quotes, no manuals or handbooks to turn to, just my thoughts on the matter. Quote
capt jake Posted February 26, 2003 Author Posted February 26, 2003 Oh, I was thinking for the licensing with the State, not the calculations. I agree with you on that point. Quote
capt jake Posted February 26, 2003 Author Posted February 26, 2003 OK, they made it really simple for me. Bring in the major receipts and tell them what it is worth. Does $1000 sound too low for them to buy?? Oh and they will also tax what ever value I put on the motor as well! Simple, I get the HIN right then and there. I wil take some of my left over Bronze and make a couple of plaques to have engraved. Quote
Guest Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 eight sheets of plywood, 5 gallons of resin, 25 gallons of fairing compound, 180 sheets of sandpaper, 11 yds of glass, 3 gallons of nail polish for the sandher, 100 dollars for the trim wood, 25 dollars for screws, 1122 dollars , I figure. Paint for the trim, I heard was leftover firetruck zinc chromate. And paint for the hull was leftover latex wall primer. Did I cover it all? Quote
capt jake Posted February 26, 2003 Author Posted February 26, 2003 Got it all except; 180 sheets of sandpaper That's an under estimate :D ;D $1122 wold work. I just made two bronze HIN plates to be engraved. Approximately haw many characters in an HIN?? Excluding me as one of the characters Also, on the capacity; does #900 sound right? I would say that the max number of people would be 4 (and that's a stretch). Engrave this on the same plate?? Or is it not required? I am confused on this point. Quote
Guest Posted February 26, 2003 Posted February 26, 2003 There are usually 12 figures in the HIN number. And for the weight, check with the sandher. :wink: You should not discuss this in open forum. Total capacity can be considered total amount of hull weight and load capacity. Check with the authorites. If they look confused, fogetaboutit. Quote
capt jake Posted February 26, 2003 Author Posted February 26, 2003 And for the weight, check with the sandher. I won't let her see that!! Total capacity can be considered total amount of hull weight and load capacity. Now I am getting confused. Isn't this 'displacement'? What figures should I be armed with when I go in there?? Should I have these placed on the HIN plate as well?? Quote
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