Paul J Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 Frank, Just to let you know the Home Page is also showing the same side scrolling the forum was. It's caused by the same thing. The script pushes it right because of the links list. Just a thought why not put that link list at the top right under the Messing About logo. Would solve the problem for most all screen sizes. Oh I have a 17" screen set at 800x600. I am not going to set it to 1200x800 the text gets too small. Just thought I would let you know. Paul J Oh and versions of Netscape below 5.0 will have a major problem with the php code. Some of the stuff like my gallery will not show up at all along with other pages. I don't use IE and won't use it as I don't like it. I use Netscape for most things but for this forum I will be using the latest version of Mozilla which has no problems and is way better than IE and it's FREE . Just more for you to think about and deal with. Sorry but someone has to tell you. :? Quote
Frank Hagan Posted January 23, 2003 Posted January 23, 2003 OK, I'll have to look at that. My HTML editor does have a preview mode in all resolutions, but it obviously doesn't work as well as it should! My goal was to make 800 x 600 attractive, without scrolling or other irritants, even though the more progressive among us are at 1024 x 768 :wink: BTW - I looked at the site stats this morning; a high percentage of folks are using some variant of Windows (over 95%) and IE (somewhere above 75%, can't remember exactly). You won't have problems with Mozilla, but Netscape is bad, bad, bad. At least if you use tables in your html! Quote
Frank Hagan Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Here's the browser graphic I was speaking of. MSIE is obviously most popular (being bundled with Windows), but look at Mozilla ... almost as much as Netscape. [attachment over 4 years old deleted by admin] Quote
capt jake Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Bigger monitors is what we need!! LOL Well, I am at 1024x768, but I have a 19" monitor. No problems with viewing here!! to to admit, even with that, the tesxt makes me sit up straight to see it. Quote
Paul J Posted January 24, 2003 Author Posted January 24, 2003 Frank, I have no problem with Netscape in most web sites. The other php boards are no problem at all along with most all php and asp sites. But sometimes the java can be a pain and so is true with javascript if it is not well written. I use some javascript on my web site and it works well in everything over 4.0 no matter the browser. I also use frames and tables with no problem at all. I even use Frontpage 2000 as an html editor and it works just fine. As a matter of fact the frames and tables work better in Netscape than they do in IE. Now the older versions of Frontpage and many of the other html editors have some problems with some scripts and the code is not generated well. And yeah I know it's not rocket science it's way worse and there are no absolute answers. But one thing I know for sure is IE sucks the big one. :wink: I just thought I would let you know about the little things with the new setup. Like I said some one has to pay attention to it. Oh and one more small point, I don't think you want to really say that the other 25 to 30% are SOL because of the change. I think we as people who build and design our own website have to make them work for every body. Not just IE and Microsoft's vision of what the internet should look like or even be. Microsoft sucks. Gee I sound like Linux is my next stop. Not yet but one of these days it will be bye bye Billy, it was real, it was fun, but it wasn't real fun. Paul J Quote
Guest Anonymous Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Gee I have got to type faster, not going to happen. Are you set up on another NT server Frank? For my money the best way to go is unix/linux servers. But that's just me. :wink: Have fun. Paul J Quote
Paul J Posted January 24, 2003 Author Posted January 24, 2003 Dagburnit I forgot to log in when I changed over to look at Franks pie chart. Well that is now taken care of I hope. Hey Jake how is the treatment for the radiation burns going? :evilbat: This is cool wish I had this one on the other board. This is just for you Jake :grab: :snipersmile: Picture Jake standing right here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To Cool Paul J Quote
capt jake Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 And I thought you were too busy to be on-line!? Radiation burns are doing well, it is this danged pinched nerve that is slowing down the building process. Going on a month now. New Avatar, I hope! Wow, changing my profile updates all previous posts. That's cool! Here's back atcha!! Quote
Johannah Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Sign of adaptation to new format: Jake and Paul are having a virtual water gun fight. That's classy guys :roll: . Quote
Frank Hagan Posted January 25, 2003 Posted January 25, 2003 Frank' date='I have no problem with Netscape in most web sites. The other php boards are no problem at all along with most all php and asp sites. But sometimes the java can be a pain and so is true with javascript if it is not well written. I use some javascript on my web site and it works well in everything over 4.0 no matter the browser. I also use frames and tables with no problem at all. I even use Frontpage 2000 as an html editor and it works just fine. As a matter of fact the frames and tables work better in Netscape than they do in IE. [/quote'] That might be because of Front Page's coding style ... the problem with Netscape is in how they interpret font tags ... you have to re-specify the font for each table, rather than the HTML standard of applying the last font tag to the table. IE is better in that regard, but you are absolutely right ... IE is a fat, bloated pig, like most MS software. Now the older versions of Frontpage and many of the other html editors have some problems with some scripts and the code is not generated well. And yeah I know it's not rocket science it's way worse and there are no absolute answers. But one thing I know for sure is IE sucks the big one. :wink: Frontpage is also a big, fat, bloated pig. I hate adding in the "Frontpage extensions" onto a site and using up several megs of diskspace. HTML does not require ballast! I just thought I would let you know about the little things with the new setup. Like I said some one has to pay attention to it. Oh and one more small point, I don't think you want to really say that the other 25 to 30% are SOL because of the change. I think we as people who build and design our own website have to make them work for every body. Not just IE and Microsoft's vision of what the internet should look like or even be. Microsoft sucks. Actually, I'm just giving you a hard time. I do appreciate it! There are always little things you miss, and little things that go wrong just when you start thinking everything is hunky-dory. BTW - most of that other 30% are "Mozilla Compatible" browsers, which is what IE is reported as :!: , which must make you chuckle. Gee I sound like Linux is my next stop. Not yet but one of these days it will be bye bye Billy, it was real, it was fun, but it wasn't real fun. We might be there faster than you think with all the Open Source stuff coming up. Its improved a lot in the recent years. Of course, I have to maintain compatibility with work, so until they pull the plug on MS and go with StarOffice or something, I'm probably stuck with MS on my home machine. Quote
Frank Hagan Posted January 25, 2003 Posted January 25, 2003 Gee I have got to type faster' date=' not going to happen. Are you set up on another NT server Frank?For my money the best way to go is unix/linux servers. But that's just me. :wink: Paul J[/quote'] No sir! We are now on a Linux server, and messing-about.com was the first site on the box (others are on it now too). Its actually a 1.6 ghz processor, which is almost unheard of (for instance, the shared Raq4 servers at RackShack are 400mhz, and they put up to 99 sites on those.) Last time I checked, the maximum processor usage was 18% last month (that's all users). So the combination of a fast server and Linux, should make the site faster. The next step up is a doosy ... I corresponded with the owner of http://www.boatdesign.net, which pushes between 40 - 50 GB of data each month, and he is on the RackShack dedicated servers ($100 a month). But until you get up beyond 20 GB of data transfer each month, that kind of expense doesn't make sense. Quote
Frank Hagan Posted January 25, 2003 Posted January 25, 2003 Sign of adaptation to new format: Jake and Paul are having a virtual water gun fight. That's classy guys :roll: . You should have seen the "smileys" I didn't upload! The guns almost didn't make it (shows my tolerance level ... I may not have high standards, but I do have SOME!) Quote
capt jake Posted January 25, 2003 Posted January 25, 2003 If the guns 'almost' didn't make it, how come I had to upload it from another site? Just curious. I have been out of this stuff for a few years, and I am way behind the curve. Quote
Frank Hagan Posted January 25, 2003 Posted January 25, 2003 You imported more guns? See, my feeble attempt at smiley-gun-control didn't work! :2gunfire: Oops, there's one of the originals! Quote
Frank Hagan Posted February 12, 2003 Posted February 12, 2003 Hey Paul, Found the problem for the forum script. The line that inserts the image does so while in a block of text with the "span" tag (a formatting tag for stylesheets). Netscape chokes on it. So I have to change the line that reads: <img src="{URL}" border="0" /> With this line: </span><img src="{URL}" border="0" /><span class="postbody"> Netscape, because it doesn't handle the <span> tags correctly, has to have the extra code added in. See the close of the tag: </span> and the re-opening of it again: <span>? Just to insert an image? It's unnecessary, redundant, bad coding, and worthy only of a mega-corporation such as AOL-Time Warner to force us to do that. If Microsoft is the devil, AOL-Time Warner are the anti-christ :evil: The forum software only had the image loading in one place, so it was easy to fix; to fix the other pages (Gallery, etc.) I have to go through my templates and see where its happening. I hope its only in a few places, but we'll see tonight. I may be up late! :roll: Quote
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