Jim Stumpf

While I am cleaning out the boat shed I also have an O'day 12 foot sailing dinghy that I would like to find a new home for. It was purchased as a fill in daysailer while I was building the Core Sound 17 and now is ready for a new home. I am in Parma Ohio and am asking $550. She is on a trailer which has new bunks and lights, repacked new bearings, tires are getting to point of not serviceable. Boat has new lines and is ready for the water.

I have decided to put PRIMROSE up for sale to make room for new projects. Please feel free to contact me for additional info. I am located in NE Ohio (Parma) and am asking $8,500. Thanks, Jim No Frills 15 as designed by John Pruitt and built by local professional carpenter. Built, titled and launched in 2007. 15 foot centerboard sloop with main, genny and working jib. AM/FM/CD stereo, running lights, interior lights, hand held VHF, Saturn Compass, safety equipment, Loadrite Trailer, 5HP 4 stroke Tohatsu outboard. She has been seen at the Mid-America boat show and in the pages of Small Craft Advisor Magazine. Please include NF15 in any email response to weed out the spamers. Please feel free to request additional info. More pictures at https://picasaweb.go...CJf4-cGlgsuEQQ#

The roach is modified, it was reduced just a bit by the sail maker to accommodate the vertical battens but it is based on the full roach sail. The lower batten is not visible in the photos but if you look at the clew on the upper reef points you can see the upper batten pointing skyward, the lower batten is between the first and second reef points at the leech/roach of the sail. Jim

Very Nice. Good on you for sticking it out to completion. Jim

Had a blast sailing at Pymatuning reservoir this past weekend. First chance to sail with some moderate winds up to 16 mph. Lessons learned Don't over sheet the mizzen when clawing to windward, in a big gust she will not respond to the helm Bare feet on a glossy floor does not make for good traction when you are partially sitting on the coaming, might need some traction strips If you wear a tilley with the chin and back of the head straps make sure it is properly fitted, if sitting on the coaming, sheet in one hand, and the tiller in the other a big gust that flips the hat over your entire face may be the same one that rolls the boat or sailing blind folded can be very exciting. The boat handled very well and I had a great time learning the new rig. I have taken to leaving the sails on the mast to expedite launch and retrieval and have made full length covers to protect them, had I thought about this sooner I could have eliminated the sail track and just gone with lacing. I have also realized that the vertical sail batten between the first and second reef point will make the second reef impossible without a removable batten. This will be the final sail of the season at Pymatuning for this year as the lack of snow last winter and the drought this summer have taken it's toll on the water level (down better than 3 feet) making the ramp just about useless. Lake Erie still has water so off to the big lake next time. Here are a couple of pictures. Joe at the helm Saturday winds about 8-10. No pictures of me as Joe is unable to handle the smart phone to take pictures with out launching several other apps and turning the camera off. No pictures on Sunday as I was solo and had my hands busy. Boat at rest our last trip to Pymatuning a couple of weeks back The obligatory sail shot Another sail shot for no reason at all

On the fore and aft deck hatches I would like to make some salty looking hold downs or dogs. They need to be good looking, not hardware laden, most likely made of wood from the shop, keep hatches closed with out snagging lines, dispense cold beer and make me tall and handsome. It is a tall order but any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. That is Joe in the picture there is no expectation that the hatch hardware will make him tall and handsome, but you can see my hatch set up which is typical of fore and aft. Thanks, Jim

Thanks for all the great advice. Crashing the dock although great entertainment for ramp watchers can get expensive Unleashing the sheets from the sails sounds a bit risky if you need to make another pass. Throwing out a sea anchor (bucket) would slow you down and could even pull you to the dock in the right current neat thought Next time out I will try sailing just under the mizzen to see how it feels, coming in under one sail would simplify things plus still give me way and steerage I agree stopping, stow sails and then coming in under oar is probably the safest route PAR you touch on a couple techniques that I would be interested in a little more info if you care to elaborate Thanks again to all that have shared what works for them

Chime in you motorless Coresound sailors. What do you find works best for coming into the dock, sure it is a very vague question but what is your go to plan for safe arrival at the take out dock. Yesterday in a 12-15 mph wind, heading downwind in a relatively narrow channel, I needed to come into a dock that is perpendicular to the wind and the channel. The problem I am having is that the sails are a bit messy with all that line and sprits and such to just drop them into the boat and still be able to move about. At the beach I just get in close enough to round up into the wind stalling the boat and then hop out, drop the sprits and roll the sails around the mast all nice and tidy. I did the same at the dock yesterday but had we not been in near drought conditions here the water would have been too deep for this tactic. I could have stalled outside of the channel stow the sails and then paddled in (my oars are not quite done yet). I have only been out a couple of times now... will the boat be balanced enough with just the main or mizzen up for maneuvering into the dock. What say the cat ketch gurus. Thanks, Jim Picture from Pymatuning Reservoir this weekend. Took Thursday and Friday off. Rained all weekend long. Meg anchored in our camp site.

Thanks Ken that looks much better. What lengths do you need a have two very nice birdsmouth sprits avaliable

Not sure what you mean, the choke tangs are skewed opposing each other and route the line the same if reversed, both chokes are the same and I am not aware of them being sold left or right hand. May just be the angle of the shot. Jim

Thanks everyone for the kind words and free exchange of ideas. This has been a fun build and I hope to have many years of enjoyment from this one. Only mod's on the drawing board for now are longer sprits, for some reason I find the beautiful birds-mouth spars are shorter than needed, they are per spec but will not flatten the sail if needed in a stiff wind. Maybe the sailmaker gave me some extra rag. The forward seat around the curved coaming is too shallow with the square profile, Joe wants to sit in the curved crook of the coaming so I will have to fab up a drop in arc of a seat so that he will be comfy while yelling at me that I can't sail. I think a small drop in thwart or seat across the lazzerete might be a comfy spot to sit in the crook of the coaming aft while Joe is at the helm regaling me with stories of his sailing prowess. Although we were not shipping any water over the fore deck I may get around to sewing up a spray cover for the forward portion of the open cockpit. Gordy point taken on the window, Joe would not had over the helm long enough for me to notice if I would like a window in the main or not. I did notice that the vertical battens tend to drop forward in light air leaving the roach partially unused, but I did have them installed so that I could furl the sail around the mast while camping. Steve, thanks for the heads up on the Bay Front event. I was not aware of it and I have already run it by the Mrs., I was there years ago when the high school kids were building the Lake Erie fishing boat, I believe that the program has moved to bigger quarters and grown since then. CABBS here in Cleveland is also a TSBA member. Were do you call home, we head west to Pymatuning pretty often. Lady Hurricane, any superstitious sailors out there that think it is bad JUJU to name a boat something like a disaster. Megan my youngest is an avid boat building and sailing companion, God love her but she leaves destruction in her path, hence the nick name lady hurricane. Any thoughts on the name? Meg accepting an award for her kayak. I asked her the other day what will I do when you move away and I want to go sailing or camping, her answer was "just come pick me up" simple enough I guess. 2 years ago. Megan and her older sister giving a presentation on building a one sheet skiff to a room of amateur boat builders (read a bunch of old codgers) Circa winter 2000. The one thing I remember for Deanna's speech was that"we sanded and sanded and then sanded some more" which got the crowd laughing because we all know it to be true. Jim

Another closer shot from trailer day. That is my good friend and mentor Joe.

Trying to post today's track Obviously doing it wrong sorry

Today was the first sail of CS17 284. Had a blast. Sorry the only picture is of the boat on the trailer and the porto-toilets in the background (nice background). La Due reservoir. Light, fluky winds mostly out of the north. Here is the track and stats of our sail. https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202741569488548933811.0004c457e6afd95e58b71&msa=0 This pic is from the 4th of July we launched and retrieved about a dozen time tweaking the trailer. Rocky River Ohio no sailing that day.

Pics of my stringers, I don't recall any stressful bends or twist. Hope that helps, Jim

Very Nice, she is a beauty. Be proud of your accomplishment.

What's the problem? Everyone knows that if you strike the end of a drywall screw it will shear off at which point you can throw a little dap spackle on it and good as new. Yikes, can't imagine this guys seamanship is much better than his ship building skills be afraid on the water be very, very afraid.

The most important lesson to be learned about varnish is to let it dry before picking the bugs out of it. I just use a foam roller and several light coats (4 on the CS). A well cured epoxy base really gives a high build quickly. Other than that take your pictures from 15 ft away. Thanks for words of encouragement. Jim

Hey John, I don't think we are going to make it. I have some rigging to wrap up and most importantly some legal hoops to jump through like trailer weigh in and registration and boat Water Craft Inspection, Hin number assignment, tile and registration. Here in Ohio they make it a joy to build your own boat as long as you do not want to leave the driveway with it. I do have something going on at work which will keep me home this year. Maybe we could catch up somewhere between GA and Ohio later in the season, Scott has been threatening to get back north for a couple of years now. Jim

The exterior is Brightsides Blueglow white and the interior is a Sherwin Williams Industrial Marine "Paper White" it has a little yellow hue to it and is less glossy, figured less eye strain that way. You are very welcome, that's the beauty of online communities like this forum; we can share and help out when we can, I still find myself checking Wes's site when I need to visualize something.

Wrapping up paint, varnish is complete. Calie and I guarding the boat between coats of paint from the first wave of Canadian soldiers that have come off the lake this season. For you non Great Lakes folks Canadian soldiers, midges and a host of other names are a mosquito sized flying insects that live only to stick in the paint of Great Lake boaters. I don't believe they even eat, just reproduce stick in paint and die. Thanks for looking, Jim

Hey Joe, Will you be docking and banging the boat around enough to warrant ss rails? Stainless rail is kind of expensive especially if you have to have longer lengths shipped. I used ss rails on top of the wood rub rail on Primrose I think wood on the CS 17 is plenty for average use If you built the rest of the boat making your own rails should be a breeze. Rip the stock to dimension round the top with a router or block plane and I like to put a relief in the bottom next to the hull as drip leg to keep water from running down the hull from the rail. Hope that helps, Jim

Nice progress Scott. Tech question; does the filler serve a structural purpose that will be compromised by the micro balloons or is it primarily a filler/fairing and all (majority) of the strength come form the glass sheathing? Thanks, Jim

Thanks Steve, Plywood came from a local source here in Ohio, Homestead Hardwoods Epoxy and lots of hardware came from Duckworks as well as hardware from B&B Sails came from Sobstad Midwest here in Cleveland Mast materials from Online metals Trailer refit with parts from tailerpart.com and southwestwheel.com Jim

Is there an official B&B approved stay sail rigging diagram? Has the search function from the site been removed? Work has ground to a halt as the flue has been running rampant here in the Cleveland area, but I will be back at it this week. I would like to finish drilling deck hardware before I start varnishing decks. I found Ray F. description of his stay sail rig but was looking for some diagrams or detail pictures, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jim