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Bud that would be the Balboa 20 (see photo below). It is still in the yard at the house. I've got it pretty well cleaned up and need to start some restoring. I need to get her off of the trailer and inspect the swing keel and than start painting. I still need to get the boom and the sails from the orginal owner. He has them in storage. Greg, once I get done with the detail drawings on the DragonShip I need to talk with the other two mian guys that have been involved in the design process and see what their thoughts on on selling or realeasing plans. Chad

For those of you that don't visit the WBF here is a snapshot of the DragonShip design I've been working on. It takes elements from a Friendship Sloop, MelonSeed skif and Duckflat wherry. The LOD is a little over 21'. It has interanal ballest built into the keel and a steel centerboard (kinda like a swing keel on the Balboa 20). It has been an interesting and long design process. I've just finished the latest weight, LCG & VCG calculations and sent it off to a navel architect who is helping me out of the kindness of his heart. He will do a quick glance at my numbers and see how they work and if all is good I start the working drawings. BTW the goal of this was to get a Friendship design that had rounded chines and was bigger than the Stevenson designs but yet still be trailarable. Chad edited to add some of the stats. Okay another real quickie here. LOA = 23.806' LOD = 21.3542' LWL = 16.674' Beam = 7.576' Waterline = 1.0625' Draft (board down) = 4.0625' LCG = 9.426' VCG = 3.179' Displ = 2371 lbs Lead = 6.43% (sail CE forward of CLR by 1.0729')

Bud I was hoping that things would work out and I could be there. There were some changes in my school, but not enough. I will now be in Sioux Falls SD from 16 Sep to 24 Sep. Sorry, I wish I could be there. Chad

Well despite the fact that I still need to paint the trim on the Ashley it went to the lake today. Today being the last day before school starts the kid wanted to take it out. So what am I to say? We loaded it up on top of the car and to the lake we went. Works pretty good. It is not as stable as the Micmac, but the Micmac is as stable as a rock. It's stability is similar to the cheap canoe, but a little less stable. With one person in it, of light weight, it is great. BTW this is what I had in mind when we worked on it. Also of the three canoes I've built this seems to be the fastest. It handles real well. With the both of us in it, it can be a little tricky. But with just one it is great. Chad

No. This canoe will see lakes and gentle streams. It is for my 13 year old daughter to play in. Chad

Haven't had it in the water yet. It has a beam of just a hair over 20". It is pretty close on the bottom to the same size as the cheap canoe and it was plentystable. Chad

In case some of you haven't seen this project I will post it here. Back when I finished my Micmac canoe I gave the "cheap" canoe to my daughter. Well to make a long story short, I dropped it on a stump and busted a hole in the bottom. So after looking for a design I designed my own with help. I will post some of the photos and renderings here for you. Here is some of my first stab at designs. And here is what we ended up with. It has a very slight V bottom. The bottom panels were S&G in and a chine log was used for the side. I actually used some of the extra chine material from the weekender for this. And here is a couple of shots with the first coat of paint on the outside. I used 2 sheets of luan plywood and Doug Fir for the rails. I covered the bottom with a layer of glass and used glass bubbles to fair. I used a plywood butt block to join the two sheets. In hindsight I should have used a glass butt block instead of a plywood butt. The plywood created a hard spot that was tough to get out. Chad

Bud ANCOC is the Army's Advanced NCO Course. It is the final phase of NCO instruction (not counting First Sargents school or the Sgt Major's course). I have to attend this class to maintan my rank of Sergeant first class. If for some reason I can't go I will try and make your messabout. Chad

Bud, I just looked and I had forgotten that this is the time I'm supposed to be at Fort Knox for ANOC. If something happens and I can't go to ANOC I will retire from the National Guard and try to be there. Chad

Bud, I will look at my schedule and see what is up. I'll get back with you. Chad

Thanks guys. That helps a lot. I have a line on a 5 hp Marinier that probably weighs about 45 lbs. If it is too heavy for the weekender no big deal, I will just use it on the Balboa. Chad

So maybe if I find the right 4 hp motor I can use it on both. Chad

About how much does it weigh and how does it affect the trim? Chad

I'm hoping tonight that I can get started on stripping the cabin. I've been working this in with a canoe I've designed for my daughter, but last night I used the last of my epoxy and awaiting the next shipment, so now I can work on the Balboa. BTW here is a photo of her canoe I'm building. Chad

Now that I have a big sailboat that would almost certainly need a kicker motor I've been thinking about getting one that would work for both the Weekender and the Balboa 20. But as I feared and is being debeated at the WBF one big enough for the Balboa 20 would be too heavy for the weekender. So what I'm wondering is what size (horsepower and weight) do you currently hang of the transom of your weekender? It seems that the smallest horsepower recomended for the Balboa is a 4 hp. Chad

Frank if you would add mine it would be apprciated. Weekender (Fred) Balboa 20 (yet to be named) Chad

Wanted to drop in and tell you about my new project. I have found a Balboa 20 stuck in the woods. I talked with the owner and he gave it to me, as in free. The Balboa 20 was designed by Lyle Hess and comes from the late 60's early 70's. This one is in better shape than the photo indicates. I haven't gotten the sails yet. They are suppossed to be in storage. I'm hoping that the boom and rudder is with the sails. I found the tiller or what was left of it. When I finally got the boat out of the woods it was knee deep in pine needles and bilge was full of dark brown water. Here is a shot after I started cleaning the pine needles off of the deck. After spending some time at the car wash I managed to get her cleaned up a little. I still need to finish stripping the cabin before I can do a real good assesment of where I'm at. I need to get her off the trailer so I can do a good inspection of the swing keel. She will need to be painted and the interior completly re-done. But this is a boat with a great designer and suppossed to be an excellent sailor. Chad

Phil, I posted my photos today for your view pleasure. Chad

Well finally after way too many years of construction, Fred has hit the water. The weekend was great for sailing, but I wasn't able to get out till late due to a quick visit to the emergancy vet, but that is another story. By the time I got to the lake the winds were starting to die of a little. During the day we were having winds in the 5-10 mph range. By the time I got there they were still in that range, but now they were more flakey. But anyway a good time was had by all, except the dog who was having surgery. The reason I was late getting to the lake. Chad

Thanks Barry. You hit on what I need to do. I was wondering how to run it without having to buy 2 new cheek blocks and waiting on them to get here. I can attach a block to the rear shroud (I've a quick release at the shroud and can attach a block there) and than run the sheet back to the cockpit and cleat it off. Later I may buy some cam cleats, but for now I will use the horn cleats I've made. I think I can make this work. Chad

Thanks Barry. I may put it up this weekend and see how it works, before cutting into it. Do you have some photos or details of how this is set up? Chad

The manisail is laced onto the mast as per The Gaff Rigged Handbook. I may experiment with different ideas later. As far as the jib being cut wrong, these sails were a gift to me and they came off of another weekender. I'm begining to wonder if they started life elsewhere and the weekender was modified to fit the sails. The foot on this jib is 104" where as the plan calls for 76". Going off of memory here so if I miss the measurement I apoligize, but there is 28" difference in the jib and what is on the plans. Chad

I did add a 1" piece at the base to raise the mast a little bit. Chad

Just thought I would post an update here. If you remember there was a slight problem with my mast rake and the sail was not quite cut right. I've corrected the mast rake by cutting out the front of the mast box and letting the mast come into the cabin slightly. Worked great and the mast is not positioned correctly. I still have to re-cut the jib, it is out also, but the wife feels that she can re-sew it for me. Before: After: Chad

Greg I'm almost convinced that she is the Balboa 20. I've had others at other sites concur with me. The inside shots of the cabin key it off for me. If I get this out of the woods and back to my house where I can clean it up I will look for the manufactur's data plate. If it is the Balboa 20 and is in as good of shape as I believe, than it is a find. The Balboa 20 is supposadly a sweet boat. Chad