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Chick, I'm reffering to btrowe's plan of using BRS 17 as a powerboat with 10 hp motor on the center of the transom. Of course It might be interesting to discuss small sailboats with small outboards mounted off the centerline, but this topic is titled "BRS17 information" and less people seem to be interested in. So may be it would be useful to start another topic?

how about this: http://www.jimsboats.com/15oct09.htm

Those are different transoms and different notches. It is stated at the BRS17 plans "Transom is designed for long shaft outboard". A short shaft will work only if you re-design the transom and/or the notch enough to get what Thrillsbe says - the right position of the cavitation plate when submerged.

btrowe, if there's 10 hp outboard envisaged (and you need a long shaft one for BRS 17) , make your transom doubled with a solid wood board above the aft deck. And never tow the boat with the outboard left on the transom. Otherwise you're at risk of breaking the transom. As for the knee, it is exposed in BRS 15 plans indeed, but Graham did not used it in BRS17 design. If you prefer (or already have ) a short shaft engine, there're few systems for mounting it outside.

Hi btrowe, I'm a happy owner of BRS17 since 2008, and I can honestly tell that she sails excellent, rows excellent, motors excellent. Just this year cruises: late spring big lagoon cruise in Germany and late autumn 180 km long river cruise in Poland: https://www.flickr.com/photos/10196268@N05/albums/72157668790396046 https://www.flickr.com/photos/10196268@N05/albums/72157660705532248 During years I faced conditions from 0 of Force up to 5 of Force which I'm trying to avoid of course, but sometimes I had to go ahead (a responsible dinghy guy makes photos in 5 of Force ; ). With crew of 5 no reefs were made, with crew of 3 2 or 1 sail were reefed. I have no solo experience in sailing, as my trailer doesn't allow for solo launching. I'll fix this problem some day. As for a motor, I'm using 2,3 hp air cooled honda what is enough power for my adventures, as no need to plane. I've sailed her solo one time only due to More albums containing BRS17 pictures (of Polish and Finnish raids) are also accessible via my Flickr account.

Thrillsbe, here are some comments to cat-ketch rigged bigger sailboats. May be helpful to think about abilities of our small open boats operation. http://www.rodgermartindesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/RodgerMartinhandout-51.pdf http://documents.mx/documents/joy-of-sharpies.html Another great stuff to keep in mind is the video on B&B front page showing Alan Steward maneuvering his CS-15. Wow. BRS has lower freeboard and no side decks so we have to be careful ; )

That's it, Thirillsbe! As for that Polish improvised term, we called it "krzywy baksztag" what exactly means "crooked" or "skew broad reach". It's an interesting story on how sailing terms have been spread and mixed, anyway. "Baksztag" seems to follow "backstay".

My question wasn't which boat should I buy. It was how gennnaker might improve BRS's performance. Expedition racing is what B&B promotes its designs with, isn't.

Yes, we did it on Bay River Skiff 17. In other words it was sailing wing-and-wing while going broad reach. Generates more speed indeed. We called it "wrong broad reach" (rough translation from Polish). Worth practicing.

Thanks for the photos. A mizzen staysail is a must-have sail indeed. We sailed miles this year using it (long tacks made few good opportunities) and it works fine. As for a gennaker , I actually wonder whether it doubles staysail action, or makes en extra advantage itself (there're photos of Southern Skimmer sailing staysail and gennaker the same time, and - like that from tom 151 - sailing with gennaker only). Each possibility makes me interested. To be exact I'm not racing BRS , it's just cruising but I'm lucky to sail at large areas which allow for really long tacks. The bowsprit seems to be technical question easy to fix on BRS.

Hi All, there's attached (I hope so) a photo of BRS17 with all the power means she has at the moment - well may by another pair of oars is missing but yes there's another pair, left ashore at that moment. Made last week during Raid Pomerania (polish-German border area). We (the crew) stated that a genaker was to be another propulsion we might try. I didn't see genakers on B&B boats in use except EC22 Southern Skimmer and CS17 La Perla, and at the drawing of CS17Mk3. Why it is so unpopular and what about using that designed for CS17Mk3 one on BRS17? Wojtek

May I ask for same info on Lapwing pls?

same problem, I'm not facebooked. I would be interested particulary in pictures of Lapwing, if a Lapwing attended. Congratulations on a great messabout, anyway!

That looks like the "cover " boat of B&B website , isn't she? As for another BRS (however not for sale) here is Polish one, when sailing in Finland early July: http://originaali.fi/raid2015/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/10196268@N05/sets/72157655625821880