capt jake Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 Little questions, but I only want to drill the holes once!! Forward hatch cover; hinge on the front or rear?? I know the plans say to hinge it on the rear, but there was quite a discussion about this a while back. I think the conclusion was to hinge it on the forward side.? Easier to get into while under way and won't want to blow open when being towed. Deck cleats; I am pondering between 4 or 6 total. 2 or 3 per side. Thoughts?? Club foot eye bolt; I am not using a club foot but still have the bolt at that location to secure the sprit. What are the merits of leaving the eye bolt there for other purposes? Or should I just replace it with a carriage bolt? :shock: :shock: :? Quote
Islands Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 HInges on the front, unless you realy want to be different and place them on the side :multi: 6 cleats you can never have too many, who knows you might need to be towed some time :agrue: Leave the eye bolt it might come in handy later :snipersmile: Islands ( I think too Much ) Quote
Guest Ray Frechette the 2nd Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 Deck cleats; I am pondering between 4 or 6 total. 2 or 3 per side. Thoughts?? I have two cleats, one each aft quarter. Up front I run the rope about the bits instead of using separate cleats. Quote
capt jake Posted February 28, 2003 Author Posted February 28, 2003 I have two cleats, one each aft quarter. Up front I run the rope about the bits instead of using separate cleats. Actually, the aft two I was contemplating plaicng at the panel joiner for teh deck. Just about mid cockpit. Might come in handy for tying off the tiller?? Just forward of that, at the widest portion, I thought about another, to tye off a fender?? Quote
Tim Diebert Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 The two aft cleats are very hand for tieing off the tiller, and I have rigged a way (with lines) to steer when I am sitting forward whilst motoring. I sometimes use this system when it is cold as well. I sit inside the cabin with my head out the hatch and steer with the ropes. Whenever I can...I like to freakout other boats by tucking right down inside so it looks like nobody is aboard. Fore hatch. I don't know what you plan on using for hinges...but the guy that built my boat used plane old cabinet door butt hinges. The hatch would never open past 90 degrees. (to the deck...) Drove me nutty. I picked up some real hatch hinges and will install them along with a new hatch....ah, soon. Hinges will be on the forward end no doubt...as they have been. I don't, personally, see an advantage to the other way...now 'to the side' could be cool, as long as the hatch clears the forestay. For some reason, I always seem to approach the foredeck from the same side. In my case, the port side...which makes no sense (which would mean I am consistant) becuase my motor is on the port side.....whatever. Could be handy...maybe not. One way or the other, a way to keep the darn thing open is important in my eyes. I have fussed with the anchor and rode whilst holding open that stupid thing too many times....plus the previous owner/builder did not radius any edges...so when that thing bites you it hurts. It's the little things that make a boat, any boat, grand. Quote
capt jake Posted February 28, 2003 Author Posted February 28, 2003 Tim, you are thinking exactly as I am on the fore hatch. I just drilled the holes, on hte fore side. I used and offset hatch hinge that will allow it to open beyond 90 degrees. I am also contemplating a way to keep it open. A simple cabinet sliding stay might work, though they are not SS. As far as the cleats, I may take a pic and post it to get further advise. Thanks!! Quote
Tim Diebert Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 ...what? do you keep your computer in the shop? Quote
capt jake Posted February 28, 2003 Author Posted February 28, 2003 Right next door. The new shop will have a computer in it for sure!! Quote
Tim Diebert Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 Those hatch stays are available in SS...and I would not be surprised, in bronze as well. But for a cheap guy like you........I dunno I was thinking more along the lines of a 10 cent bungy cord to the forestay. Now THATS cheap. Quote
capt jake Posted February 28, 2003 Author Posted February 28, 2003 Maybe these photos will help on hte cleat issue. Note the little Honduran riser blocks in hte pictures. Thsi is hte location that i am considering... Quote
Islands Posted March 1, 2003 Posted March 1, 2003 Jake, you have done a great job on that boat I can see that you were planing ahead for the cleats and the locations look about right, Now stay out of Boats and Harbours when you go to buy them :oops: They might be a bit large :?: it looks like some 6" ones might just fit the bill, :onfire: Islands ( I think too much ) Quote
capt jake Posted March 1, 2003 Author Posted March 1, 2003 Actually, I was going to go with 4" bronze closed base cleats. The only bronze ones I could find in the right scale. The other option is black nylon 5". What do you think?? Quote
Guest Posted March 1, 2003 Posted March 1, 2003 Actually' date=' I was going to go with 4" bronze closed base cleats. The only bronze ones I could find in the right scale. The other option is black nylon 5".What do you think??[/quote'] If you put those black cleats on that boat, your head will spontanaous combuste with the flame you may get here. What an insult to that boat. By the way, how does the varnish look now? Quote
capt jake Posted March 1, 2003 Author Posted March 1, 2003 OK, I ask fewer questions from here on out. Thanks Oyster, that's what i thought. I just didn't know the usability of the closed base cleats. Thanks!! Quote
Guest Posted March 1, 2003 Posted March 1, 2003 My old poppa used to say, a question not asked is a foolish question, or something like that. Cheers AS far as an open cleat, I am not sure how that would affect the working of it there. Quote
Tim Diebert Posted March 1, 2003 Posted March 1, 2003 ....if it were me...and those cleat bases weren't committed to...I would move them aft. At least past where the cockpit starts...or ends...and where the laz bulkhead is. That way they don't interfer with 'becket' type use when someone wants to sit back. As for bronze vs. plastic....I am a luthier not one of those independantly wealthy fire dudes...I go for free or cheap. (but that's just me) Let's not get carried away here. Quote
capt jake Posted March 1, 2003 Author Posted March 1, 2003 Thanks Oyster and Tim! ....if it were me...and those cleat bases weren't committed to...I would move them aft. At least past where the cockpit starts...or ends...and where the laz bulkhead is Tim, I am a little unclear on this point. Nothing is set yet. Just there to get a perspective. Quote
Gordy Hill Posted March 1, 2003 Posted March 1, 2003 Too many damn cleats! You'll have lines hanging up and there are too many places to stub your toe! 'Corse they do come in handy. I think I'd install the aft ones on the quarters and use the boat a bit before committing myself on the others. If your front hatch hinge is forward there's less chance of the hatch opening and gulping huge amounts of salt water at just the wrong time. With the hinge aft the hatch can be left open on a warm night (or afternoon nap) and collect a cooling breeze. It's POSSIBLE to have hinges on both sides, but you'd have to be more clever than I to cobble up a simple, cheap, workable system. My little 17 footer had a sliding forward hatch. A nylon wind scoop really made a difference in the cabin. Oh yah, great paint job! Quote
capt jake Posted March 1, 2003 Author Posted March 1, 2003 You COULD make some nice WOODEN cleats. Nah!!! I am getting burned out on this. I am geting excited about attaching hardware and doing the rigging!! Not too excited about the amount of buffing I have ahead, oh wel!! Quote
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