Weekender SNUPI Builder

Re: WATER / LEAD >>>> Jake may be calculating in Imperial Gallons and Ray is working with U.S. gallons ! This will throw the weight of the lead off by 20 % not to mention that if I install a 6" or 15 cm. steel "I-" beam to support my lead keel, I'll have to recalculate after determining whether that beam is 6 or 10 mm. thick ! Maybe I'll install a snorkle and scope and go under the waves & swells !

Hi Jake......... No , I didn't give that much thought because of the 2 layer of 11 oz. glass wrapped over the chine , plus the , ( to be) oak "Runners / Mini-keelsons" to be screwed as well as a few 3/16" bronze bolts thru bolted. I do like the idea of thru bolting the keel and then the fibre-glass / epoxy fairing build up ! Good chance I'll go that route. Or.. I could just stay in the mooring like a bunch of the other "Weekend - Warriers " when the wind exceeds 10 knots ! Grrrrrrrr !

I switched from Netscape a while back to Bill Gates "Wonder Browser"! Now I find that unless I rip &* tear when posting, (particularily if I'm taking a bit of time to locate pics & resize), I get a window aadvising me that the page has expired, even though I'm still connected to the internet provider ! It seems that unless I'm lucky, when I log in AGAIN ........ I LOSE THE POSTING and HAVE TO REDO IT ! Grrrrrrrrr ! I not at all knowledgeable about I.E. ........! However I'm quite willing to contribute generously to any joint Messin' About fund raising effort to purchase a surface to surface missle or 2, to ....... well you get the idea !:evil: ????????

These pics, approx 1 mo. old may help relate the measures to SNUPI. [attachment over 4 years old deleted by admin]

Ray ~~~~ BOW Question Here's a pic taken over a year ago which may answer you question of the " Full bow" . Some other dimensions ; Stem length from sole to sprit ~ 51" Hull depth from extreme forward of sole vertically to gunnel ~ 31 " Hull depth midships , FORWARD of coaming ~ 26" Hull depth at start of coaming ~ 33" Hull depth at point of joining transom ~ 26" Transom depth at center of crown ~ 28 " Beam ~ 7' Transom width ~ 60" Keel's depth 14 1/2 " at midpoint [attachment over 4 years old deleted by admin]

Actually Gentlemen, I'd like you to consider the type of "pounding" that SNUPI, or any other vessel gets, while beating around the Atlantic inner coastal waters ! Ray should be quite used to the North Eastern Atlantic wave & swell scene, being as close to the Bay of Fundy as he is. My thought is that "breaking" a small, say 1 1/2 " x 1 1/2 " x 1/8" to 3/16" thick x 5' to 6' long angle steel of one type or another, solidly attached to the 1" thick sole as well as being thru bolted to the keel would add a wide comfort zone in choppy water. I've been out 2 ~ 6 miles offshore in 15 ~ 19' V bottomed stinkpots and been caught in sudden squalls with unpredictable wave & swell frequencies that made travelling thru them a non-stop experience of heavy duty pounding, regardless of speed or power variation. When coming off a wave crest with a flat bottomed hull, the stop of the downward movement is really going to be abrupt, ( it can be bad enough even with a f-glass "Deep V" bottomed 19.6" Doral blue water stinkpot at 4~ 6 knots ) ! The keel & it's 300 pounds of added ballast are going to want to continue the downward movement when the flat bottom has slapped the surface and REALLY announced it's intention of going no deeper ! Result ...... a violent stressful momentary tug of war between these two components of the hull, with the sole resisting the multiplied downward force ! That 300 pounds of lead in suddenly going to pull a few "G's" and weigh consider more than it's stationaly number ! It's really a case of the hull's sole pulling away from the keel in a perpendicular direction. I had this discussion just last week with one of the Heisler lads, ( one of 3 generations of wooden boat builders, spanning back to the turn of the century ! )....... one of the major boat building families of the well known Tancook Schooner, a large number of which were flat bottomed, many with internal beach rock ballast . When fishing, this "Rock Ballast" apparently made weight distributation adjustments to the weather conditions relatively easy ! Nope....... been out there, seen & felt the "smacking" ........... angle bracing it is ! So......... back to the original question ....... epoxy / glass encapsulated S. Steel or Bronze ???

THANKS, Ray and Jake for the helpful words of wisdom and experience. I'm afraid the heaviest thing I've historically poured was the odd container of " Crown Royal" ! ( For medicinal reasons of course !) You can bet I won't be phone shy when the time comes to do a "pour of something weighing 150 lbs + and at a minimum temp of 700 degrees F ! I'll need to pick your brain relative to the molds and the sand setup you used. POINT OF INTEREST QUERY ....... I'm getting mixed signals relative to the installation of marine grade angle stainless as an "insurance policy" strengthening the "keel ~ sole" connection. I plan on completely encapsulating this piece in several layers of epoxy / f-glass fairing. Some say that O/2 starvation will STILL be an issue , as it would if the angle steel were simply bolted up to the sole and keel . Other " experts say there's no problem , as long as this piece of stainless is completely and totally sealed from the salt water. ( Moored 3 to 4 months yearly ) The other "Voices" say ......... USE BRONZE , it's going to corrode anyway, and the bronze will take longer to "Be Wasted" ! Hmmmmmmmmm , comments ?

QUESTION >>>>>> You're saying that you melted 1/2 of the 200+ pounds of lead at one "melting" and poured 1 of the 2 molds of 100 lbs, (+/-), weight in ONE POUR ??????? It seems to me that must have been one hell of a strong aluminum pot ! Or ......... can you do these castings in 2 or more "pours" ?

Hi Ray, All three local Home Hardware stores were SOLD OUT of the "Outdoor propane Cookers", however have ordered more and I should have mine here by the first of the week ! I guess a lot of folks figured that $ 39.97 was a good price. They apparently make a "fab" stove for doing lobsters. Our company usually has a couple of "Lobster boils" each year and other years have rented the same rig ! The "Powers" ordered a couple from "Home" for the lobster fests ! When you have 200 lbs of lobster to quickly cook for a crew of starvin' Realtors, you want a HOT 'n FAST stove ! I didn't realize the stove you used was the same outfit ! NOW ............. what in blazes did you use to "cook" the lead in ? I'm thinking that this little operation ought to be interesting, having to have to melt, skim and pour a minimum of 150 pounds per bulb half, ( +/-), and having something with stout handles that 2 guys can handle ! Hmmmm ! I "cruised around both sites looking for the pics and story/ direction that you had posted, but no luck.

I sorta figure draining all and any cockpit/ seat trapped water into the waiting ambush of one of two bilge pumps. BTW, I put a lift out 2nd floor in the companionway compartment. which also serves to hold that pump in place ! That way I can still use the upper portion for storage of whatevers, whatnots and other marine jibber-jabbers . I've picked up another automatic pump for the lazarette. My thought is that a lot of strange events can occur in the middle of the nite during a heavy rainstorm ! Seems to me that $100.00 for a 2nd 1100 gph / 3 amp bilge pump is cheap insurance. Which brings us to the power supply ! The 5 watt solar charger I bought at our local Canadian Tire Store will keep the power up to snuff and "Pumping" when the need arrises and nobody's about ! I've got access to "timed out", but still good hospital "Backup lighting" batteries....... as in "Cheap ~ Cheap", so a second independant pump battery is a real possibility. Peace of mind is worth the few bucks to set up.

Hey Stump .......... What offence ? That's not what this self inflicted torture is all about ! As I said, I knew squiggley-squat about sailboat design until I started doing what you're doing nearly 3 years ago ! While I don't know that much about sailboats , I DO KNOW PEOPLE THAT DO, Heheheheh !!!! I do have the good luck to know some wonderful salty old timer sailers, builders / fishermen. Hell, Ray F. has been getting really weird stuff bounced off him by yours truly & running safety net design interferance during that time period. If we had any smarts, we'd simply buy a used boat, refresh it and go sailing !!! Cheaper and more time spent playing and less building is the smart money move ! Have a Good One, ............ Graeme

Hi there, Stump, Just going to reply , then it is decidedly off to work ! You may have noticed that I'm a Nova Scotian, actually born in Lunenburg, home of the unbeatable & world famous "BLUENOSE". Capt. Angus Walters, Skipper of the original Bluenose, and my Dad, who at the time owned a drugstore in Lunenburg, were close friends, due in part because my Dad provided and maintained the "Salt Bankers" with their medical chests. While I don't have the sailing & design experience that just about anybody else does, I do have a fair number of friends that are extremely "Salty", ( two of the old timers I picked on had worked at Smith & Rhuland's shipyard , (the builders of the original Bluenose and Bluenose 2, one of them worked on both the salt bankers ! ) and I haven't been afraid to run my changes past them ! Also, I used to live for a number of years just a 5 minute walk from Snyder's Shipyard, Dayspring, and am not nervous about asking ANY questions of that crew ! Of significient value to ANY builder / modifier , is of course, our friend Ray Frechette ! Now there's a lad that has done his homework ! Anywho ..... the long and short of it all is that with upsizing, most of the "upper weight" is as light as I could make it and the bulk of the heavy things like battery, 8 gallon fresh water tank, mini demand pump, bunks and so on are all in the lower portion of the hull. Don't forget that SNUPI has a SEVEN Ft. beam and a FIVE ft transom, in addition to the complete sole / floor / hull bottom being DOUBLED to ONE INCH thick, ( HEAVY ), for various reasons. One of which is to provide a solid platform for the binnacle. Double walled floatation filled hull sides, plus hull floatation in the pair of 8 - 9 gallon cabin chine compartments that were originally going to be water ballast tanks sorta round out the center of gravity ? floatation / righting questions ! So......... I didn't simply start cutting wood and spiking it together, a lot of extremely knowledgeable & experienced craftsmen had a hand in these mods ! With the above plus 300 + pounds of lead ballast , and having had the advice of several "Old Timer ship builders and sailers, turning turtle or for that matter, a knockdown, is not concern I have ! While this is the 1st sailboat I've built........ I have built / owned / bought 5 "Stinkpots" and a few canoes ! ............. next ! Just kidding ! All the very best from a grey haired old Lunenburger raised on Salt Cod, Kraut & smuggled prohibition rum ! ! [attachment over 4 years old deleted by admin]

OOPS.......... Forgot about the 3 attachment thangie ! Here's another 3 pics of Snupi that may get your creative juices rolling ! Oh yes , I have 300 lbs of lead waitin to be cast into the "Frechette Ballast System" ! Have fun ............... There is a zillion things you can do with this hull design ! ( within reason) I went a tad overboard, but sometimes we all tend to get a tickle carried away ........ leastwise that's my excuse 'til I can find a better one ! ........ Graeme [attachment over 4 years old deleted by admin]

Hi Buck, I had some of the very same concerns as you about the Weekender's cabin / cockpit and forward hold sizes ! I figured that if I was going to build, I may as well make it suit me. .... Hence I started making the changes. The Tanzer 22' was the inspiration and needing headroom for my 6' 2" and a 7' cabin with bunks up off the floor, ( I want more than a sheet oof plywood between me & the cold water of the Atlantic, +, +, +, ----- I added 12 inches to the beam and made the transom 5' so to have some footroom and space for a binnacle. SNUPI ended up 19'10" on the deck. The changes and additions are almost endless, ( as Ray, the Sailer's Guru can attest), Solar charging, pressure water system, porta-potti storage under the topside anchor hold, and on and on ........ ! These changes, coupled with a half dozen heart attacks & bypass open heart surgery over the past couple of years, my launching schedule rather went to hell in a hand basket, however one way or another , SNUPI is going to be floating this summer, even if it means flooding the garage for a launch !!! Here's some pics I found on the PC that might get your creative juices flowing ! Now... I gott go do some real estate stuff ! ........ Graeme [attachment over 4 years old deleted by admin]

This is supposed to be the quiet season for real estate, but it's been anything but ! Busy as hell selling some houses and of al lthings, a RV Campground for nearly 3/4 million bucks ! I sold the same campground 4 years ago, so it's been good to me ! Time consuming as hell though . Been sneaking an hour or two here and there and managed to get the inner cabin hull panels in place complete with the chain plate access panels. On one of the pics you can see the space between the inner & outer hulls that will be filled with high density blue foam floatation. The plumbing and PVC enclosed wiring will run along the top of the insulation in such a manner that it can be "fished" if needed, once the decking and toe rails are permanently installed ! The big move that took a lot of "Moanin' chair" thinking, was cutting the hell out of a 3/4 finished cabin roof ! I simply couldn't see leaving it so I'd have to bend my head to one side in order to sit on the bunk ! Sooooo, I figured I'd bite the bullet and fix it now, rather than cuss the head banger later, when the "fix" would be more difficult ! Meant removing the companionway framing as well, and now I have to rebuild the opening frame and doors ! Oh well, the price we pay when "Mods" get out of control. :twisted: [attachment over 4 years old deleted by admin]

All three pictures loaded beautifully, Frank ! You are one smart cookie ! On the other hand,........ it would appear the boat has acquires a "Social Affliction" of sorts !

I'm addicted to the %$#&@ mods ! I finally got the bulk of the "in cabin" woodwork under control, including the "double" hull sides, so now I'm installing the cabin sides that I left off , because it was easier to reach in than crawl thru the companionway ! Once the sides are on to stiffen the cabin up, GUESS WHAT ???? You guessed it ...... ANOTHER MOD ! I'm removing the center section of the roof and building a sloping raised center section to accomodate my bald head ! Seems that the original roof height was calculated BEFORE I added the "V" berths, soooooo a 28" wide piece is coming out and a new piece going back in...... 5 1/2 " higher ! Somebody better come quickly and fit me for one of those compact little white wrap around jackets !!! :wink: :wink: Now let me see, have I got room for any more masts, after I build in the wide screen TV and the air conditioner and 10,000 watt diesel generator ? Hmmmm ! :twisted: :twisted:

Hi Simon, Greetings from SNOW COUNTRY ! Right now there's about 24 to 28 inches of snow on the level ! The pic was taken a couple of weeks ago after I "BLASTED" out of the driveway. Thank God for big ugly snow tires and a total dislike for shovelling snow ! You can have the 41 C temps 8) 8) , I couldn't handle that kind of heat ! I disappear to the ocean shore when it hits 30 C . We're lucky here in the Annapolis Valley of Nova Scotia, we're only 15 minutes to the Bay of Fundy, ( 52 ft. tides ), where the water just barely gets above freezing, and the air is usually 10 - 15 degrees cooler than the rest of the province, even in the summer ! The other side of N.S., 35 mile drive, and there's the Atlantic, where the temps are more of a normal type, and only 7 ft tides ! Sounds like you're motoring right along, even if the epoxy must be setting up like crazy in those temps ! With those temps, I'd say garb a nailer, slap the sides on, to hell with the paint, LAUNCH HER and go sailing ! My 4 mo. weekender project has evolved, (this is month 12), into what looks like a 14 month "build". Too many mods ! [attachment over 4 years old deleted by admin]

Hi Frank, I'm using 4.7 version of Netscape. The service provider, Bell- Aliant), WILL NOT provide tech support for any higher / later versions of Netscape. Claims they're too full of wee critters ! No biggie, just curious......... I use I.E. about 40% of the time anyway. Perhaps all I need is to do an "patches" update, haven't gone looking for a bit ! By the way, my scroll wheel works just fine ! Maybe Jake got some sanding dust in his !

I've noticed that attached pics on some posts will "layer / superimpose, with Netscape, but open just fine with Explorer ! Example ... Jakes 3 pics "FOR FUN". I've also picked up that Netscape won'y open the galleries, but Explorer will ??????? What do I need to reconfigure to bring Netscape on line ? [/b]

My favorite expression : CUT THIS BOARD 3 TIMES ...............STILL TOO SHORT ! :roll:

Now Ray, YOU KNOW that all lows are counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere ! :wink: SABLE ISLAND run! Absolutely ! :twisted: :twisted: Send me a signal from the weather stn. when you get there ! I got a bunch of FREE "dual instruction" twin engine time logged, flying Air Atlantic's twin Piper SENECA out to Sable Island from Halifax International. Air Atlantic had the contract to fly meteorologists out & pick them up, ...... I knew the CEO, Ian Laidlaw, pretty well, and the pilot had his instructors rating, soooooooo , that's how I got my "twin" rating, basically N/C ! I flew ~ he snoozed ! ANYWHO .... The waters and the WINDS out ther are pretty damn wild, even at the best of times ! For most landings, I used to what is generally called a "Carrier" landing ! That's when you fly with control power right down to rolling on the ground, event you have to "Get yo ass outta there", then stand on the brakes and kill speed once you've touched down ! ( Wire meshed sand 1200 ft runway & No tail hooks ) I'd say you'd be better off with sailing the Grand Banks than the wave / wind activity on the shallow water extending out for miles & surrounding Sable ! But..... It's your choice wherever you want to "Sea Trial" SNUPI, ............she'll bring you back ! 8) 8) 8)

Awwwwwwww, Shucks, I've been caught ! Do you recall that I told you that you had SNUPI to use when you vacationed up these 'about parts ! Well, I kinda, er' , sorta, was meanin' to mention............ , I mean , you bein' an experienced sailer an' all, ah, if, well you know, If 'n it wouldn't be too much trouble,........ would you mind terribly running Snupi off the coast a few hundred miles to the "Banks", and doing her sea trials? I'll throw in a couple of bottles of Scotch !

Being out on this kind of water would be "Hell" in a Banks Schooner, but can you imagine the 2 man crews , handlining for cod in an 18 ' dory !!!!! [attachment over 4 years old deleted by admin]

THEY GOTTA BE NUTS ! Here's 3 of some photos I received, taken (Jan.29 - 30th/03), from an oil rig just off The Grand Banks, of the North Atlantic. These are the kind of "seas" that the brave souls along the Eastern Seaboard,......... from MASSACHUSETTS. MAINE, NOVA SCOTIA and NEWFOUNDLAND, hand-lined for codfish from "Banks Dorys", off of "Salt-Banker" schooners, such as the Nova Scotia's BLUENOSE. Those "Banks Dorys" were the ancestors of the Stevenson's Weekenders, Vacationers and PC's. Pretty damn solid & impressive pedigree for SEAWORTHYNESS , in spite of what some "city bound air-heads" at another forum have to say ! ! [attachment over 4 years old deleted by admin]