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Thanks Rob for your umpteenth great reportage! I have some questions about you fellows rig, as I am very interested on junks, how did they find it? Did they planned the rig or was it designed by professionals? Were they satisfied with it? thank you Fabio

Hi everybody I have some questions about this topic. I apologize but english is not my mother tongue so I often have doubts about what I read!! If I understood correctly, this "vertical reefing" is rolling the sail up by rotating the mast isn't it? Rob suggests to reef by removing the main, is it meant to physically pull out the mast from the hole? If so it sounds a bit dangerous, kind a Superman job in bad weather! Am I mistaking? What's the most common way to reef larger boat i.e CS20? If I got what vertical reefing is, it sound pretty comfortable indeed. Why so few people use this way? What are drawbacks? Graham's issue about bunched sails make sense but in gust you probably don't mind it too much. I am not experienced at all so in my practice reefing occurred only as training and not as real sailing need so I always think about it as an emergency manoeuver is that the real world? ciao Fabio

Ok now I got it, so the boat I sailed had a centerboard ! Actually, not that complicate to operate, unless you forget to ease the line! If I understood correctly, in case you don't ease the line the board should slide between the two side cheeks and come up with no damage. Is that ccorrect ?

Brad your post opened my eyes! I should have searched before on cart manufacturer sites! Actually who else better than them faced the problem. so I searched for Italian manufacturers and I got a confirmation that it could be done. I also should have reminded that beside us on the beach there is a wet bike rental and they haul bikes by hand, beside this the average weight of a bike goes from 600 up to nearly 800 lbs and they do it ! I shall speack with them and ask. If you hauled a Flying Scot then the CS20 would be even easier as the FS is 850 Lbs !!!! ciao Fabio

thank you John for your hint but I would not go under 17'. I think 300lbs with an effective cart is something I can manage, of course if it was lighter.... Fabio

Brent, your answer was loud and clear!! At this point if no brilliant idea pops up I must overhaul my size expects and as I said the CS17 or the CK17 by Mertens (even lighter) should be ok, pity because the CS20 seems to be much more reliable even for gusty conditions. By the way, completely different thing, roughly how long did you take to build your boat? For Ray, no way to have anything making "bim bum bam" on the beach We have a narrow lane among laying tourists. I was thinking to hammer a stake in the strand and to use a manual tackle to haul, but still I' m afraid it will be just a way to tangle my life Fabio

...well the incline is not that steep, and as a matter of fact the dingy I sailed this summer was around 400/420 lbs and we had a wrack of a cart with poorly inflated tires ....but we were three and it was a hell of a job, probably with suitable wheels it would have been nicer. :wink: If you think that a reasonable limit should be around 300 /350 lbs, then CS20 is out of contest and the alternatives could be the CS17 , the CK 17 by Mertens or a catamaran (why not?) Unfortunately I can't afford a place in any Italian marina cause costs, so I must park the boat on the beach of our club and most salings will be few hours out an than back to beach. Of course I will get a trailer but just to be used for long distance escursions, so 90% of boat's life will be on our club's beach. thanks Ray for your contribution Fabio

Thank you for your reply , Greg San Marino is an independent country located in the middle of Italy an we are closed to the Adriatic sea that's right I have seen, on the net, that solid large plastic wheels are available but my issue is to find somebody who tells me : Yesss I'm doing it. no problem!! thanks again Fabio

Hi everybody This is my first post on this group. As I am saying on the subject, I have some doubt or concerns about the following: I am thinking about the CS20 as it has the right size for my needs, I suppose. Looks good and reliable. My main concern is her weight, cause I must haul each time after sailing and I must do it on a sandy beach. Most people I spoke with discouraged me by telling that in there experienced opinion the weight limit ease should not exceed 200 Kg [440 pounds] considering two healthy adults towing it. I suppose many of you must have done that lots of times so what's your opinion? Second question: about the cat ketch rigging, I am an absolute beginner, meaning that I took my early sailings this summer so I am at an abc stage and all my experience was with an omnipresent sloop rigged dingy! Here in Italy I haven't seen many other riggings, sloop seems to be a doctor's order! I read on B&B site the article on cat ketch and of course lots of miracles are reported for that rigging but, we have a sentence in Italy: you can't ask the innkeeper if his wine is good!! It would be rare if they belittled it. Assuming that many of you have sailed both riggings would you recommend it to a rookie like me? Lets admit I might learn how to sail on a easy and laid back cat ketch, my concern then is about sailing a "real boat" ( sloop ) as I figure it to be a pretty different thing isn't it? Third and last, for now. I can't find anything on the internet about the Worrell cat, anybody knows some more? Thanks Fabio