Congratulations

[Guest Freddy]

I know that this is a builders forum, and i have nothing to contribute as such, but i have an overwhelmhing urge to speak-up and congratulate you all.

After a part of a lifetime of looking at, admiring, working-on, dreaming of and somtimes sailing on boats, i undertook a serious look at dayboats of 16 foot or less, as this fitted my circumstances, and i thought that the 'Stornaway 16', from selway/fisher, was the closest compromise i could find, ( especially aesthetically ), untill i recieved the study plans and realized that it was a long way from a practical first time builders project, i also was very interested in the 'Welsford' Navagator, but was totally put off by the bickering between believers of different sail plans, myself prefering the sloop over the yawl rig. In disgust i thought 'bugger it', i'll have alook at 17 footers and the first boat i came across was the 'Core Sound 17', well well well, i was impressed, and after a long time lurking around this forum in the dark and finding out as much as i can, i can only say i am more impressed, not only in the designer, an Aussie of course, or the boat would'nt be so bloody practical, but also in the attitude of all you builders and prospective builders, i haven't been able to find a hint of arrogant boating mindedness amongts you's yet. WHICH IS A BIG STATEMENT COMPARED TO SIMILAR SITES, ( especially since your mostly Yank's), ( and us Aussies are your best friends ). I have only seen happy and helpful comment posted.

I am not in a position to order plans at the moment ( the marriage is too shaky too include a boat at the moment) but hope to in the future, but would very much like to know as much as possible about the boat's behaviour in capsize conditions. Besides a very early posting in which Graham states that the boat can be righted by one person, i have not been able to find any other comment on the subject. Given that good sailing practises would mostly avoid such a circumstance, I believe that the behaviour of the boat in such circumstances should be often disscussed and practised, and would love to hear from owners experiences.

Hopeing to join you as an owner one day

THE WORLD NEEDS MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU'S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Joe Nelson CS#35]

I think that all of the boats you have considered are worthy. Both Selway-Fisher and Welsford are reputable ameteur designers. But you will get the best support from Graham. His CD's are very informative and I would recommend ordering it! It gives you a great insight on what is ahead.

I was building a boat during rocky times in my last marriage. I lost it in the transition. It is not fun letting go of one more of your dreams. My new wife gave up her dry parking spot for me to build my Core Sound 20. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH life is good!

[mustangermatt]

As you noted the only mention of a capsize I have ever read involving a coresound is the intentional experiment that Graham did.

On the other hand I was reading several accounts from different owners of the Bolger light schooner. Out of the four accounts of sailing the light schooner I read, all four owners have dumped their boats at least once, most of them several times or more. There was great discussion about how to keep the boat upright. A very quick look at the hull of the light schooner shows a narrow flat bottom and straight sides. There is very little form stability in such a shape. Compare that to the moderate V and flared sides of the coresound boats.

I think one reason you don't see discussion about coresound capesizes may be the boats are stable and manageable enough to keep them on their bottoms.

Have you ever heard the story about putting a fence at the top of the cliff instead of an ambulance at the bottom... :-)

[Rob Blackburn]

Capsize is a funny word. I have a Laser and a day without a capsize is not a day to remember.

Our CS 20 is the complete opposite in properties. I can't imagine a less tippy light 20 footer. I had a 26 foot Norwalk Island Sharpie and it was much more alarming stability wise than this boat. Had a BIG high rig and narrow bottom to sit on.

Get yourself a ride on one.

Rob

By the way, I like the look of the Selway Fisher Baltic Lugger. It looks great.

[Guest]

Bloody good day, or something like that, in Aussie. See, I am just a redneck, in my neck of the woods. I, too, come here for the grand ole' fellows that share this part of the world. But you see, I am just a wannabe rag merchant, too. But you can't find a better bunch than here. This place is where I hide from the nasty world we all seem to live in, on occasions. Good luck with you marriage, and quest to be water borne, at the appropiate time. Oyster.

[Guest Anonymous]

Yup, a pretty friendly bunch here, though I get out of hand at times. No worries, there are a select few who know how to real me in. :)

Jake