brijbldr Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 At the risk of starting a major furor with the sailing purists, I am wondering if anyone has hung a small outboard on their CS 17 and how the transom was reinforced to carry it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAR Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 A small outboard can be and is carried on the transom or a bracket on the CS-17. Other then a backing plate (1/2" to 3/4" plywood) mounted on either side, no additional reinforcement is necessary for the typical small engines used. The boat only needs a 5 HP to propel well. A 10 HP will make her plane off at some speed, though additional transom reinforcement should be used. She'll get really twitchy at the upper end of the abilities on a 10 HP engine's throttle range, but you can run in the low to mid teens easily with this setup. Of course, the weight of a 10 HP will affect trim considerably and this wouldn't be my recommendation for a CS-17. A FNR equipped 5 HP will do great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Garland Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 We recently put a Honda 2.3 hp air cooled long shaft OB on our Core Sound 17 #351 "La Perla" to get out of the Barrington River in RI which has a pretty good tidal current. We cruise at 5 kt. and the motor weighs 31 lb. The larger motors were too heavy in my opinion. We only plane with the sails up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijbldr Posted September 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 Thanks PAR and Philip for the replies. I am thinking of something around 3 hp just to get me back if the wind dies. I can't see me rowing several miles back to the ramp and it's good to know that it will mount easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken_Potts Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 I motored many miles with my Honda 2hp on my CS17, in pretty much all kinds of weather including 20+ knot headwinds and never needed more power. For sailing performance, I wouldn't hang anything heavier than that Honda off my transom, though I know others have done it quite successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Niemann Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 I agree with Ken. I have used my Honda 4cyl 2HP on my CS 17 'Lively' since day one and have been happy with it. I have had a couple of problems with fuel though. NEVER NEVER use any fuel that contains ethanol. All my problems have come from either very old fuel or ethanol. The other thing I do is turn the fuel switch off and let her run until she dies. Then when I get home I unscrew the carburetor drain at rear of engine to get the remainder of fuel out. More recently, I have taken the advice of a motor expert and actually siphon all the fuel from the engine if I think I will not be sailing for quite awhile. (this is probably overkill) Since I have started doing these things I have not had any problems. dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Niemann Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 I have attached a photo so you can see how I mounted the motor on the transom. I also should mention I used a 20" long shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stumpf Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 Just mounted mine today. Here is a vid of ole Joe at the helm with the new Honda 2.3, about 1/8 throttle and cruising at a constant 4.4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rx3tnCaRSCI New Honda on salvaged bracket, bracket needs clean up and paint/varnish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brijbldr Posted October 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 Thanks all for the helpful information and great pics. I like that 2.3 Honda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul356 Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 Does the Honda have reverse gear, or do you turn it 180? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stumpf Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 You have to spin it around. It also has centrifugal clutch so no forward/neutral selector. But man is she light, everything at a cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennieG Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 At risk of showing my complete lack of marine experience, are you saying you turn the motor 180, or the boat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stumpf Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 Looking at the picture: notice the arm with the throttle at the end (tiller arm). The arm is made to flip from the front or forward position to the aft and reverse position. For the motor to be operated in forward the tiller arm/throttle arm would be horizontal and facing into the cockpit with the motor oriented as it is in the picture, the prop is pushing water away from the hull and pushing the hull forward. For reverse the motor would be spun 180 degrees so the prop is pushing water under the hull or pulling the boat backwards, the tiller arm pivots so that it can always face the cockpit regardless of the motor facing forward or aft. The centrifugal clutch works as follows: At very low idle the clutch disengages and the prop does not spin giving you neutral as you increase throttle the clutch engages and the prop starts to move and then increases rpms as the throttle is increased. Hope that helps, Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennieG Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 Thanks- I didn't know the arm pivoted to that degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolfin47 Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 The 2 HP Honda 4 cycle (29 lbs-short shaft) is fine on my CS 17. I bot it during construction so I could build a "storage" motor mount for it in the aft compartment when the motor is not on the adjustable transome mount--- there is an old "thread" on the Forum on building motor mounts in the aft compartment. I plan to sail my boat to the 2013 Mess-About. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkisting Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 I used to get a ton of e-mails asking about the motor on my CS20 and how it performs. Here's the webpage I finally put up about that topic. It's a few years old, but I think most of the observations are still fairly accurate. Besides the Merc/Tohatsu and Honda options, I think Yamaha also makes a sub-4 hp motor also, which weighs somewhere in between those other two options. I think all of them are fine motors. The Honda has gotten a little lighter (minus a pound, I think) and a little more powerful (bumped up to 2.3 hp) in the last few years. http://www.roguepaddler.com/cs20w.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterMoon Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 A small outboard can be and is carried on the transom or a bracket on the CS-17. Other then a backing plate (1/2" to 3/4" plywood) mounted on either side, no additional reinforcement is necessary for the typical small engines used. The boat only needs a 5 HP to propel well. A 10 HP will make her plane off at some speed, though additional transom reinforcement should be used. She'll get really twitchy at the upper engine of the abilities of a 10 HP engine throttle range, but you can run in the low to mid teens easily with this setup. Of course, the weight of a 10 HP will affect trim considerably and this wouldn't be my recommendation for a CS-17. A FNR equipped 5 HP will do great. Best speeds I've ever seen with my 6 hp outboard are around 8 knots. I'm a strong proponent of hanging the OB on a bracket, otherwise I find there are far too many tangles and snags with the mizzen sheets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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