Designer Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Lennie, Those decks are coated with epoxy and then varnished. There is no stain or any colorant. It is the same wood as you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Niemann Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Lennie, I did not stain anything on 'Lively'. Don't know if this will help or not but here is an article on the CLC site. http://www.clcboats.com/shoptips/finishing-tips/staining-your-kayak.html dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAR Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Stains work, as do adding pigments to the epoxy sealing coats. Matching color is very difficult on plywood boats, simply because you don't have enough depth over the fastener head to install a bung and make it stay there (it'll pop out). Some putties are stainable, but do some tests on what colors, the amount and compare it to the same plywood you'll be fixing the holes in. I usually use paint and an artist's brush or air brush. The sequence is stain, seal (epoxy), then bulk up the epoxy (additional coats) followed by your clear coat (varnish, urethane, etc.). If you need to match colors on the fastener hole fillers, your testing should offer this part of the process. Also use the epoxies designed for clear coats, as they are much clearer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Niemann Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Lennie, As a reminder in case you do not remember what 'Lively' looks like see attached photo. Again, no stains. Just regular epoxy and Captains varnish 7 coats. dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul356 Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Here's a photo of my transom. It's just epoxy, no stain, like Graham said; spar varnish will follow, and that can affect the color. It's the ply from the kit. The color is more even, not splotchy. I guess that's due to the flash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAR Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 I don't like stains much, preferring to see wood under clear most of the time. Okoume is an odd ball, often needing something, if only to make it standup a bit. Regular epoxy, instead of the special clear epoxy, is usually enough for me, but some like a little stain to bring up the grain. Meranti looks great under clear and I hate when mahogany is stained, as it ruins the reflective quality the silica in it offers, if simply clear coated. Stains can be used to even things out, with some species that tend to get blotchy. A sanding sealer can solve this issue, but so can stain. In the end, it's your call, but your build is looking fine, so which ever you pick, I'm sure it will reflect this (literally). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennieG Posted November 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Thanks very much guys. Avoided an unforced error on that one! No stains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennieG Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Closing in on it......photos show progress. No photo but installed foreward mast tube today. Knocking off the list, hoping for a couple hot days to epoxy under side of deck and deck beams, then install deck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAR Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 It'll be this weekend and the first of the week Lennie, because some Canadian decided we needed to know what winter was like and sent some down. We're showing 80's by Sunday, so hold on my friend, they can't beat us down for long. I can here it now,"isn't it nice to have seasons, the football weather and all . . .". Yeah I like seasons and football too, which is why I moved to a place where we on have the good seasons and tailgating means actually sitting on a tailgate, in a pair of shorts, enjoying scantly clad teenagers running around in football season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennieG Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Ok Paul and enjoy the football this weekend. Just don't wear a trench coat in those situations if you find it cold.☺️ I cut the deck pieces proud so as not to cut them small. Contemplating best method of trimming deck and thinking MicroPlane ( Japanese rasp type thing). Or low angle block plane, or in places a router, but I don't have an adjustable base to gain angle changes, nor see an aftermarket one available for my rigid laminate trimmer route or larger craftsman router. How would you trim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makenmend Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I used a pull saw and block plane, went quite quickly all in all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAR Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I used a laminate trimmer (mini router) and a flush cutting bit. I place a couple layers of masking tape on the hull to offer a bit edge to trim, after the bulk of the decking was removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennieG Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Thanks for feedback! I love the idea of using the trimmer and will play with the masking tape. Also can see the pull saw working.....good solutions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennieG Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Needed to take a little break from Epoxy but back at it and making progress. Took her outside today to check on mast plumb and alignment . Main mast locked in but some flexibility on mizzen as mast tube not installed......looks fairly close and where they don't line up all fixable with aft mast tube installation. No pictures but port fore deck installed, sprits done, rudder shaped and half glassed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Looking good Lennie! Are you building in a storage unit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAR Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Now that you can play around with the mizzen step placement, consider a canting mizzen. Picture a sliding mast heel in a track, canting as much as 15 degrees to each side. Your upwind performance will improve dramatically and it's not a tough engineering problem to solve. The first time I tried this I use d a 12 VDC cordless drill, chucked to a length of all-thread, attached to an eye in the bottom of the track mounted mast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter HK Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Great post It's missing the smiley face though Since the centreboard case is in the way it could only improve the upwind performance on one tack Cheers Peter HK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennieG Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Thanks Matt- Yes in a storage room and working out well. Hope to keep it going when boat is done if I can find projects/boats to build. Epoxy will not be part of my future unfortunately but will figure out something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennieG Posted December 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 One more deck panel to go...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennieG Posted December 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Used some 12 oz Biax glass today to cap the leading edge of my rudder. It nearly disintegrated....just pulled apart on me. Went through a couple steps of discarding what I had and wet down newly cut pieces, placed them on the edge gingerly but still had challenges of it pulling it apart. Eventually got it on there but it was less than whole. I drenched it in epoxy a couple times after that but don't feel it was the right choice for me or I did something wrong. Did my product breakdown in storage or just bad choice for this task? Would appreciate your input so I can understand what I have learned. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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