Nacrajon Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 I was looking at this closed thread: http://messing-about.com/forums/topic/6604-capsize-test/ The centre board seems a long way off the water for a swimmer for capsize recovery. Has anybody capsized in deep water and were you able to right it easily? I have vivid memories of five crew in the water, 10km off the coast in a capsized sports boat. None of use could reach the centre board to right her and we were worried about her turning turtle. It took over an hour for her buoyancy tanks to fill with enough water for one of us to be able to grab the centre board. It's not something I want to repeat. Does the design have enough buoyancy fore and aft to not have to worry about sealed side benches, leaving them open in order to lower the capsized centerboard height? Jon Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nacrajon Posted July 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Sorry, I should add I am discussing a Core Sound 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter HK Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 Hi Jon I see you found my old capsize test. From memory I didn't think the height of the board was a problem. I used to sail 14 ft skiffs with a similar distance to the board and righting them was not a problem. I've scaled the old photo and at worst the board is 2 ft 4 inches above the waterline in capsize which is about my arm's length so should be reachable. No side tank buoyancy means recovery is very difficult due to the amount of water in the boat on righting. I think the balance is about right on a coresound 17. Cheers Peter HK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAR Posted July 7, 2013 Report Share Posted July 7, 2013 In practice, you just reach up and get the board. The moment you do, she'll start coming down a bit and you can work your way toward the tip. It looks worse than it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken_Potts Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 The one time I rolled my CS17 it went all the way over (180 degrees). We were able right it, but had a difficult time getting back on board (no swim ladder). I can't remember how difficult it was to get up onto the capsized hull, so it probably wasn't difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnjost Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Ken - Were your masts aluminum or wood? I am strongly considering adding floatation to the top section of my masts (once constructed), similar to my old Enterprise as it was next to impossible to turtle with the foam in the aluminum spar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Niemann Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Two things. If my memory serves me correctly (it does not always) Graham capsized in heavy weather in one of his EC adventures. Maybe he could comment or Allen or Doug or someone closer to the situation.. I think I mentioned it previously on this forum, but I once fell off my CS 17 when letting out a reef. I was able to get back in the boat with great difficulty and it was in fairly protected water (I am not as young as I think I am 72). Therefore, I recommend to everyone; add a boarding ladder to your boat. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAR Posted July 8, 2013 Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 A folding boarding step on the side of the rudder cheeks, will go a long way to helping water boarding concerns. A few well placed handles can be made to additional service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken_Potts Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 David - My masts were consisted of lower and middle sections made of aluminum with a top section of wood (per the plans). The reason I went so far over was because I rolled the boat really hard (like a barrel roll in a fighter jet). Dale - I agree with your boarding ladder opinion. For anyone who's unsure about whether they can reboard, I suggest they go out on a calm, warm and sunny day, remove the rudder and put it in the cockpit (to simulate the loss of the rudder), have a nice swim and then get back in the boat. Just for peace of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Speaking of boarding ladders, one that immediately caught my eye was the one Chick put on the original Princess 22, as shown in this photograph: http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/princesspic14.htm Have always been curious who makes it and where to get one. Would like to have one for my existing boat, plus the Princess 26 I'm building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Ludwig Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 The ladder on Princess was one that I made made from steps and hinges from Det-mar hardware and tubing and bases from any place that sells marine hardware. I could buy whole sale then, so I ordered direct from Det-mar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 No wonder I've not seen these as commercial offerings. They look pretty much "bomb proof" to me. Four points of attachment, with some sturdy looking handrails and steps. So how fast do we have to talk to get you to make a few more? I was hoping to snag at least one, so I could glue the backing blocks on the transom and pre-drill and backfill the mounting holes while the transom was still flat. Lacking that, do you have a pattern and hardware list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Ludwig Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 I have no parts left now. I used to build fiberglass skiffs. Try finding the Det-mar parts on line, then take them to someone with a tubing bender like a shop that makes railings or tops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I think I may have located a similar ladder. Made by these guys: http://www.metalogicinc.com/products/index.htm They are located a few hours from me in Arkansas and in addition to being an OEM for the fishing boat industry, also do custom fabrications. They might be a source for stainless handrails, boom gallows, etc. Somewhat expensive, but for a "one of", I'm probably miles ahead to go that way vs. muddling around trying to make my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAR Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 These types of ladders are a dime a dozen, but you have to find them. See if there's any old boat bone yards in your area. A little polishing and replacing worn our teak steps is easy enough. Another place to look is repair shops, where you'll find 2 or 3 old boats that have huge and outstanding bills on them, the owner hasn't settled. You can usually talk them out of a ladder or other part, if the boat has been "liened" and the yard now owns it. A $150 ladder will quickly become a $50 ladder, needing some love. I even have one I'd be willing to sell you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale Niemann Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Boarding Ladders. Here is the one I put on 'Lively' https://www.wholesalemarine.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Garelick+Stainless+Steel+Transon+Ladder+Step Here is the one I bought and will put on my Marissa 'Salty'. Which is almost done. http://www.wholesalemarine.com/garelick-compact-2-step-stainless-steel-transom-ladder.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAR Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Check EBay - they have several from $14 bucks and up > http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=transom+ladder < Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
805gregg Posted July 14, 2013 Report Share Posted July 14, 2013 Just try it yourself in like 6' water and make your own plan, should not be a big deal, if you capsize, the wind is up so make sure you face the boat into the wind, or maybe get or make a small drift anchor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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