rattus Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Hey Joe, we have found that a Jetboil stove + cooking kit and Aeropress for the java side meet all our small boat and camping (2 adults, 2 kids) needs, while being small and lightweight. Nothing beats the Jetboil for boiling speed and fuel efficiency on canisters, while the Aeropress lives up to its reviews for outstanding coffee or espresso underway. In our experience, the Jetboil French press accessory, while clever, does tend to taint the pot with coffee flavor and lets some grounds past. We lasted a week in the Baja outback on one canister and still had gas left! http://www.rei.com/p...-cooking-system http://www.amazon.co...s/dp/B001HBCVX0 Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattus Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I found the Century two burner stainless stove at REI. Looks nice and I would not have to build anything but way to big and heavy for me. ... Yes - but it (the Century) looks suspiciously Chinese, what with the "stainless" and all... The Trangia looks like a nice bit of kit, but it'll probably take 15 minutes to boil a liter of water vs. 3 or so for the Jetboil. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter HK Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 My brother used a trangia alcohol stove for a couple of years on a 22ft trailer sailer...at times cruising for a fortnight. He said it worked fine but his view of cuisine is pretty basic. Cheers Peter HK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirilonde Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 One of my boat dreams is to be sailing gently across a bay sipping on my morning coffee as the sun rises and slowly lifts the mist from the water. The Forespar looks interesting but I don't think I want a gimballed stove. If the boat is healed that much I won't be doing any cooking. How much is "that much"? And do you think your amount of heal might become "that much" at an unplanned moment? The Forespar is one of the most useful stoves for a small cruising boat in my opinion. And if having that morning coffee while under sail is important, I can't think of a safer way to go about it. I have tried backpacking stoves on board. But they are not simple to light. When back packing I am willing to give up the simple to light for the size and weight considerations. But on my boat I want simple, fast and reliable. And for that nothing beats propane. I store the spare tanks in my outboard well with the fuel tank and lamp oil. I also have an Origa non-pressurized 2 burner stove built into the counter, but the Forespar is my under way water boiler/coffee maker. Another advantage to it is that when you don't want/need gimballed you can take it off the mounting bracket and set it down anywhere. A slight change of subject, but the rail mounted propane barbecues are great on a boat of almost any size. They are great for meats,fish and other foods and keep the mess out of the cabin. Anyway, enough dreaming, get that boat finished!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Anderson Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Thanks for the stove recommendations. The Coleman type stoves pluses are spill containment, flame and heat containment, easy of use, able to use a wide range of cooking pots, good stability and resistance to wind and low profile. Minuses are large size and weight and fair pot security. The Jet Boil type burners that sit atop the fuel canister work well but have issues with stability, wind resistance, pot security and they have a high profile. The Trangia could be fussy to light, spill burning fuel and has a short cooking time, but it gets high marks for quaintness. I take Daves point that it is difficult to predict on a boat when a gimballed stove is needed. The Forespar pluses are stability and pot security. Minuses are poor resistance to wind, poor spill containment, limited pot selection, and high profile. In my cabin I have a lot of room horizontally but vertically things are a little tight. I did think of a place in the cockpit that might work for the Forespar. In the port footwell the stove would be shielded from the wind and accidental contact. Location in the cabin is more problematic Se ya I gotta go try to fix the places where all the roller fuz stuck to my nice paint job.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy Hill Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I'm sure any of the stoves mentioned will work fine. I still lean toward the Forespar. The stove easily disconnects from the mounting bracket and can be put anywhere. I liked my stove outside on the cabin bulkhead. When at anchor the entire cabin blocks the wind. The mount inside was great for cutting the chill on a rainy day while cooking. I definitely liked the propane canisters because they were neat and easy to handle. I now have a new stove that uses butane canisters that produce a hotter flame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy Hill Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 You could always put sand under removeable floorboards in the cockpit and build a fire to cook... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy Hill Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Ok, There was supposed to be a photo with that last post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy Hill Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Viet Nam, 1969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterP Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Gordy I am jealous, I always wanted to sign up for one those foreign Cordon Bleu schools. This looks like something even I could afford. PeterP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Anderson Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Gordy now you are talking my style. I did not want to be throwing canisters away. I love the smell of wood smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricknriver Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Hi Joe, Missed your lessons at Messabout :-). Great work, pics, and info on the 22 - thanks. The #71 SCAdvisor Sep/Oct11 has a nice cockpit cook box plan that may be helpful for ideas. Want a lower profile one for my BRS15 so plan to mod it and use the 2 pc MSR Windpro I scored off eBay and hopefully will be able to slide the finished one in and fwd through the seat hatch. Think the canisters (over liquid fuels) may be a bit safer onboard. Safe trip down. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Anderson Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 I am too cheap to subscribe to SMA but if you think it is worth it maybe I could spring for that issue. Could you post photos and report on your cook box. Next Mess About we could have a cook off. Demonstration of Techniques for Cooking Aboard Small Boats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailed Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I found the Century two burner stainless stove at REI. Looks nice and I would not have to build anything but way to big and heavy for me. The Forespar looks interesting but I don't think I want a gimballed stove. If the boat is healed that much I won't be doing any cooking. You may think I have gone off the deep end but, I have been wondering if I could adapt a Trangia alcohol stove to work for me. Ihttp://www.trangia.s..._series_ul.html I have used the Trangia's on many of my small boats over the years as the sole galley stove. If you're worried about the price of fuel all paint,big box ,home Depot type stores carry it in quart sizes which last over a month if cooking 3 meals a day IME. Takes up little space, not explosive, and no fumes to worry about and easy to clean up spills without residue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailed Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I found the Century two burner stainless stove at REI. Looks nice and I would not have to build anything but way to big and heavy for me. ... Yes - but it (the Century) looks suspiciously Chinese, what with the "stainless" and all... The Trangia looks like a nice bit of kit, but it'll probably take 15 minutes to boil a liter of water vs. 3 or so for the Jetboil. Mike I have yet to meet the person who could drink a LITER of coffee LOL! Boiling water on a Trangia takes 7 minutes out of the wind for 1 quart of water IME. If you make that hot there is enough for 1 person's coffee, breakfast, and some to go in the thremos...2 people? Boil a pot of water after breakfast for the Thermos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailed Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 The cheaper single Century brand burners are China made. If you want to go the single burner propane stove route the Century is cheap enough to try it, and if damaged, get it replaced cheaply in port. Making a cook box is easy, I'll post about it when I get more time. Nice boat! Almost what I have in mind....A CS WITH a cabin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Anderson Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Obviously stove choice is a matter of personal preference. Safety and ease of use on the boat are of primary importance to me. Fuel cost and boil time are secondary considerations. A cook box that provided a means of securing the stove and pot and stored neatly away would be ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattus Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 That's what I liked about the Jetboil (with the pot support/stability kit) - the stove stores *inside* the pot, the (folding) tripod legs make it tip-proof, and the diffuser ring on the pot firmly affixes the pot to the burner. Boil time should be important, as it directly relates to the quantity of fuel you'll need to carry. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirilonde Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Boil time should be important, as it directly relates to the quantity of fuel you'll need to carry. If fuel efficiency is a key concern then white gas is the fuel of choice. It yields more btus per any given volume or weight of fuel and is less cumbersome than propane tanks. It is however not as safe as alcohol nor as easy to use as propane. Just like boats, portable stoves are all about compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailed Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 The Forespar unit sounds nice, though I don't have any experience with one to date. Dave F ticked off all the boxes it seems for the Forespar that even I might give one a try on my next boat. If one is going to use the Trangia system Alcohol stove then it's necessary to use thin camping type pots and pans IME. Most of the folks who I've found dislike the Trangia/alcohol type stoves in general were still using pots and pans from their home kitchens. These types are too heavy and take too long to heat up for easy cooking on a boat. Go with the Anodized aluminum type pots and pans available today. I've found they work better for me than even the Titanium types. One factor for the Trangia is that one can set it up inside a cookbox and place it low on the cabin sole in rough weather. I was really disappointed that I missed the Messabout this year. I hope to attend one in the future and would be glad to show what I've come up with for a portable galley. The gist of it is a large plastic toolbox, the type that has a tray in it. You remove the tray, store all your kitchen gear in the lower section, including the Trangia and fuel, and then place the tool tray back in and load that with your cooking utensils. Fast and easy in or out of the cabin, easy to put away and stow too. All systems have merit, it's only a matter of circumstances which one a person chooses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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