Ericthenorse Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Ok, I am looking to build either a Birder 2 or a Moccasin 2. On the website, compacity for both boats is listed as "2 adults" Is there a more specific weight limit than that??? seems to me to be kind of vague. My wife is an adult, and weighs about 130lbs, so two of her would be 260lbs.... I weigh in at 285lbs, so two of me would be 570 lbs ... Would either of these boats be OK as a single for a 285 man??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Jones Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Well-the nicest thing about B and B boats is Graham and Carla- give him a call at the number listed on the website and ask him. If what he has doesn't really suit you, he HAS been known to modify a design for someone.. Really great folks to deal with- he's interested in happy people having his boats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 It is hard to give absolute answers to inexact questions. People come in different sizes as well as different weights and capabilities. Both boats will easily do what you need. The paddler in the Moccasin 2 weighs 190 and is 6' 2" tall and you can see that she is floating light. She takes around 125# to push her down 1" and could easily be put down 3 more inches. The other picture shows a Moccasin 1 loaded down in expedition trim on a trip to northern Canada. She did the job just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericthenorse Posted November 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 "Is there a more specific weight limit than that??? Seems kind of vague.. " Sounds pretty exact to me... ;D Let me be more specific then.... What is the displacement at the designed water line on the Moccasin 2? What is sinkage?..... Already answered... 125# What is maximum displacement? I realise that people come in different sizes... My example proves it... That is why I questioned the use of "2 adults" as you explanation of compacity..... The point I was making is that My wife and her twin(if she had one) is a whole different weight class than me and my twin(which I DO have..) Both would be two adults.... If the DWL on the boat is somewhere between 250 and 300, then I am in the ballpark... I love the look of your boats, and would really like to build one as my first foray into boat building.... P.S. I hope I am using all the right terms.... I have mostly done the nautical version of "Bench Racing" up till now... But being a big dude, I have to worry about sinkage and sinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy Hill Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 At 245 -250 I found the 12' Moccasin a bit tender and it felt over gross, especially if I took along anything heavier than a short verbal message. My girlfriend loves it. The 13' Fisherman was a noticeable improvement, but even with my great skill and sense of balance, (Is there a tongue-in-cheek emoticon) I couldn't truly relax when the fish weren't biting. I think you're going to be very happy with a double. One thing I noticed with both boats was how easily they moved. A few strokes would get me to the next place to fish. Then I'd zoom right past the point I wanted because the darn thing just doesn't stop. I had to actually make a back stroke to stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericthenorse Posted November 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Yeah, I love the lines of these boats, and I think I could get one floating without too much money or time. That way, if I find I should not be building boats, I am not out too much... I am kind of a wood butcher... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 My target displacement at the DWL for the Moccasin 2 is 350#. The other point that I forgot to include above is that there is no absolute upper weight limit as it depends on the skill of the crew and how it is loaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericthenorse Posted November 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Thanks, that is exactly what I needed.... I see that you designed a 14 footer for another forum member... Is that something you would sell more plans for??? If you even still have them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kudzu Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 ... I see that you designed a 14 footer for another forum member... Is that something you would sell more plans for??? After reading Bills posts and look at his photos I have to agree and ask the same. That boats looks like exactly what I have been looking for. Are the plans available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer Posted November 7, 2007 Report Share Posted November 7, 2007 Yes, I have the plans. In keeping with my policy of build and water testing my boats thoroughly before I unleash them on the public, I had not announced this design until I heard from Bill on how she performed. I am very pleased that she lived up to his expectations. During my Watertribe experiences and talking to experienced paddlers I had been thinking of a larger Moccasin when Bill contacted me and explained his needs. I was impressed with his experience with the 12' Moccasin and felt confident of his understanding what he needed. I can't wait to build my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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