Drew Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Here is a question for those with mizzen sprits (and the designers). Like many others, I would like to stop the mizzen sheet from fouling on the outboard motor. I have looked at advantages and disadvantages of various types of pushpit rail, I feel that it doesn't fit with accessing the boat over the stern. Thinking about the angles and forces involved in keeping the leech of the sail tight by positioning the sheet, is there any practical reason why I can't attach the sheet a couple of feet forward of the sail attachment? The foot of the sail should still keep the sprit and snotter in tension. What are your thoughts guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken_Potts Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 If I'm picturing it right you'll have two challenges with that: You'll put a bending force on the sprit-boom and the sheet will foul the foot of the sail on at least one tack when reaching. I think I've seen that someone somewhere has dealt with the problem through the judicious application of some bungee cord but I don't remember exactly how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted November 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 I seem to remember the same thing Ken, I will have a search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirilonde Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 10 hours ago, Drew said: Like many others, I would like to stop the mizzen sheet from fouling on the outboard motor. Removing the OB always seems to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stewart Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 I think a pretty good solution to this was discovered by David Jost? Here is his blog http://jostboats.blogspot.com/ He used a ring that takes up the mizzen slack during a tack when the sheet goes limp so that it can pass over the outboard. While sailing the sheet hardens up and the bungee is just along for the ride. Another tip is to make a custom stop block for your outboard so that instead of it being tilted all the way up to the built in lock position you can only tilt it up enough to let the lower unit and prop clear the water. This cuts down on the prop fouling the sheet since it's much lower down but still out of the water. -Alan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted November 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Thanks Dave F, but rowing long distances against the wind really sucks! Thanks also Alan for the pics, I will try David J's method (too many David's here?). I did a trial fit today and used a carabiner instead of a ring so it can easily be detached. I will try it on the water ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Silsbe Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 This is a very interesting solution. I wonder what it would look like on a run, with the sprit to port. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted November 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 Don, I'm thinking (hoping) that the bungee and ring will simply ride up the sheets and hang loose, since the tension in the fore and aft direction is no longer there. It would be interesting to hear from David Jost on this if he is still following the forum. I assume that the ring finds its natural position such that when the sheets are close hauled and going about the ring rides to the position where the sheets are at an angle like in the pictures above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken_Potts Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 I think David's setup is the one I remember. If there's too much tension it may be a pain when you're sailing in very light wind but using a carabiner will allow you to take the bungee cord out of the system easily. Experimentation with the amount of tension and the attachment position should be a fun way to spend a day on the water (I'd try it if I still had a mizzen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Ludwig Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 On 11/10/2017 at 8:11 AM, Alan Stewart said: Another tip is to make a custom stop block for your outboard so that instead of it being tilted all the way up to the built in lock position you can only tilt it up enough to let the lower unit and prop clear the water. This cuts down on the prop fouling the sheet since it's much lower down but still out of the water. I use a custom block like this on Summer Breeze. The sheet doesn't catch on the lower unit, but does catch on the power head of the motor. It also catches on my boarding ladder. I like David's idea and will try it next time we go sailing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnjost Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 The ring on the shock cord has worked well on all points of sail, and in all winds, so far. No more sailing this year in New England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted November 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Thanks David J. While you New England guys hibernate for the winter I will try it out in our summer and add to the post later. Stay warm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve W Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Drew, you folks that sail in our winter are the key to getting through it. That and skiing! Keep the images and videos coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexscott Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Dnjost, I cannot see your photo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnjost Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 sorry for the delay. Just noticed the post with photo failed. Here is a link to the blog http://jostboats.blogspot.com/2015/09/pleasant-bay-and-simple-rig-adjustment.html 2 photos show the points of attachment. No issues, when closed hauled, the ring barely impacts the sheet, when on a run. the bungee keeps tension on the sheet so that it runs forward of the upright motor. No downside that I can see so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustyMerope Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 On 12/7/2017 at 6:31 AM, Dnjost said: sorry for the delay. Just noticed the post with photo failed. Here is a link to the blog http://jostboats.blogspot.com/2015/09/pleasant-bay-and-simple-rig-adjustment.html 2 photos show the points of attachment. No issues, when closed hauled, the ring barely impacts the sheet, when on a run. the bungee keeps tension on the sheet so that it runs forward of the upright motor. No downside that I can see so far. Hmm, that seems to do the trick. Thanks, Dnjost! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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