Jknight611 Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Sun cover was the order of the day! Nice an warm there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriosca Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 The ply lapstrake boat next to you in the first photo looks like a Welsford Navigator or it's bigger sister the Pathfinder. The Navigator design was my first build many years ago. How suited to the event was this craft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jknight611 Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 I think it is the Navigator, knowledgeable sailor and the boat did fine. Shallow draft and the ability to reduce sail area it the prime directive on this event. The evening campsites were quite shallow. About 20 boats went the "hard way" with several days beating windward, 40 or so went "traditional " and it was a great broad reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer Posted June 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 This is a boring story. Nothing important broke or screwed up. It was a long tiring 3000 mile drive but the sailing was worth it. Jay and Carol live about 950 miles down the track and very kindly offered to host me for the night to break up the drive and go the rest of the way in convoy. It was a real treat. The skippers meeting was quite casual. After handing over our signed disclaimer we were told that this was an unassisted cruise and if we want to withdraw now or at anytime that was fine, do not bother to inform the group. If you want to rejoin later, that was okay also. “You are the skipper and all decisions are made by you.” I actually like the fact that we were responsible for our actions. In fact they were a most caring group and would go to any length to assist if it was needed. Because we had an extra day they added a new anchorage which they called Camp Zero. It was about 20 miles to windward and they were a bit vague as where we were to go as it has changed from the last hurricane. I had the disadvantage that I was the first to arrive at “I don’t know where Camp Zero is”. I decided on the prettiest beach but most everyone else’s draft was too deep and I became a group of one. The hard way did have a fair proportion of windward work but we did get in an extra day of sailing over the traditional group while they did the car/ bus shuffle. One of the most rewarding parts for me was to be able to see how our boats perform against such a disparate variety of craft in what was sometimes a long hard grind. 63 boats were registered with 108 crew. All of the boats were well reefed some of the time. This year was not as hard as some prior years, but I suspect that one reason that not as many boats withdrew was that there were no crazy boats this year. Probably the most extreme boat was a C scow that was bought on ebay for $200 with trailer. The crew flew in from Port Townsend and Vancouver and picked up the boat in Houston. They spent a few days going over the boat and setting up a reefing system. I believe that they sailed it reefed all of the time as they told me that when it got heavy, it was all that they could do to stop it from nose diving. They auctioned it off for $250 on the beach after the event. Navigation here is always interesting, the water is hard to read as it is somewhat brackish and the charts often bear no resemblance to reality. At Camp 1 we walked over Lost Mans Pass which was several feet above sea level, some of the boats went through it last year. This is where our shallow draft really paid off as we could wing it when we had no idea which way to go. I can’t tell you how many times I blessed the cat ketch rig when I was able to reach the main clew and push it to leeward to make the boat tack where I wanted it to go after I was stopped by the centerboard on the bottom. We all felt for the skipper on one of our competitor’s sloop designs. He came into Army Hole late and decided to beach his boat along side. Like the rest of us, his centerboard hit the bottom and as he lost way, the boat blew off to leeward and his billowing jib pulled him down on the nearby lee shore. He fired up his Honda to back him out of the embarrassing situation. Unfortunately the Honda was not that reliable and I think that he ended up on the lee shore 4 times before he got out of it. When I touched the bottom there, a quick backing of the main and I was around and sailing to the windward shore. The anchorages looked prettier than they were with large shell beaches and mud bottoms and mosquitoes. I was not expecting much from the Camp 3 where we met the rest of the group as it was called Mud Island. In reality it was the best of all with a nice beach and the wind was blowing straight off. I just had time to organize the boat, set a stern anchor to prevent the boat from chafing on the beach all night and have a swim when Jay and Carol fetched up along side in their CS20 mk3 "Southern Express". The three B&B boats performed very well and were always near the front of the fleet especially when we were on the wind. Carlita was usually the slowest of the three, it is understandable being the smallest. On the 40 mile run from Camp 3 to Army Hole, Jay tacked as he reached the channel, I had placed my final way-point on the channel and I was heading straight for that way-point. I was able to read that I had .8 miles to go. It is not often that you can measure exactly how far you are behind. If you look at the video that Travis took of Carlita from his Princess 22 “Pilgrim”, it was taken just a few minutes before Jay made his tack, you can get an idea of how perfect the sailing was that day. I tried to get some video of Pilgrim because she looked so good charging along but I could not read the screen in the sun and it failed. Here is a link to Travis’s video of Carlita, it is 4 short takes. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/e4cub4wvbecgkrd/AADKY0Avwb27c22xGUt8hDiIa?dl=0 It hard to say which boat was the fastest because conditions vary, boats sail different courses and leave at different times. Jay’s boat was right up there as one of the fastest. There were multi-hulls but when overloaded with stores, camp gear and sailing reefed, they were no faster over a range of conditions than a good mono-hull. We concluded over dinner at Camp 3 that we probably had the best boats for such an adventure. There were a number other boats that capsized but were recovered okay. Several boats with deeper draft required help and retired. The wind vane lived up to expectation and overall I am very happy with it, it was driving during Travis’s video. During the harder gusts the vane rudder which is on the starboard side just about came out of the water and occasionally needed help. On the way to Camp 3 I did pull the push rod out of a sleeve that I had used to lengthen it. Because I was on the wind I did not need it and just let the boat steer itself. It pulled out because I did not finish the limit stop and used a line for a stop which became untied. I re-glued it back but put some glass reinforcing across the joint. The line came untied again but the repair held. Raking the vane in fresh running conditions reduced the over steer considerably which gave me the idea that I should tilt the vane axis back a few more degrees. This will reduce some of the power of the vane of which it has plenty in return for more course stability. More testing. Pictures to come. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve W Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 Thanks Graham. I'm building "Jazz Hands" for events like this. It's great to know the design performed so well. I'm in San Fransisco right now watching a few boats. Getting excited to finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmosSwogger Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Enjoyed the videos; good motivation for builders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexscott Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 Graham,. Quote Raking the vane in fresh running conditions reduced the over steer considerably which gave me the idea that I should tilt the vane axis back a few more degrees. This will reduce some of the power of the vane of which it has plenty in return for more course stability. Did you experiment with the smaller vane that Alan mentioned in the video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer Posted June 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 Alex, I did use both vanes. With the winds mostly fresh, the small vane had plenty of power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom151 Posted July 2, 2017 Report Share Posted July 2, 2017 Dear Action Tiger... what is this boat design shown in your post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Tiger Posted July 2, 2017 Report Share Posted July 2, 2017 That is a Michalak Robote the kids and I built for them. The best part is it took 8 days from panels to boat. Peace, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexscott Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 Tiger, How did you do the seams? Thought you swore off epoxy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Tiger Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 13 hours ago, alexscott said: Tiger, How did you do the seams? Thought you swore off epoxy! Haha. I had. That's why you never say never. The real sick part? The rowboat is sheathed on the outside, and I did all the glassing alone, even. I've regained all my comfort and skills with the materials. Still. I ain't making no more canoes, I promise. I may make some more kayaks, but I can't paddle them very much anymore. Peace, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken_Potts Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 On 05/07/2017 at 9:28 PM, Action Tiger said: ...That's why you never say never. ... ...I ain't making no more canoes, I promise... Never say no more canoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Tiger Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Ken_Potts said: Never say no more canoes I know. Dumb, huh? Really, though, unless it's a very, very, very special case, or someone has OBSCENE amounts of money to spend, I won't build another strip/glass canoe. Now, a strip PLANKED sailboat? Hmmm. Maybe.;) Just now I'm playing full sized garop Tetris trying to get the big dumb creamsicle turned over so I can deck her. Peace, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frowley Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Hi Graham, I really enjoyed hearing about Carlita and this event. By now you've got a lot of miles on her, so I'm curious what your current thinking about foresails is. What, if any, did you use on the Texas 200 and how'd they do? Have you had a chance to do much spinnaker work? How'd it go, and did the retractable forward skeg help? Have you sailed Carlita w a staysail? Thanks! Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer Posted July 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Fred, I took the roller furling jib with me to Texas but left the bowsprit tip behind. As I was doing it the hard way, most of the time I was reefed going to windward so it was no loss and there was mostly excess wind. Except for the time that Alan and I tested the spinnaker I have not flown it as I have been single handed most of the time and taking it down alone in freshening conditions can be difficult. I have flown the jib a lot because it is fitted to a furling gear and it is easy to furl up and it can be dropped easily furled or left up for later use. It does not have the area of the spinnaker but it still increases the sail area off the wind a lot. It can be carried a lot closer to the wind than the spinnaker can but like the spinnaker it is in the wind shadow of the mizzen when running deep. I have not fooled around with a pole for running deep down wind. I have not used a mizzen staysail as the jib is bigger and easier to tack and I think that there would be too much back winding of some of the sails if carrying it as well as the jib at the same time. I cannot be sure if the forward board is of much help as it is small and I cannot tell much difference on the helm. I do not think that I would fit one again unless I had the room to make it bigger. Overall I think that the jib is worth the effort as it does rev up the performance off the wind for casual racer, it does come at the cost of more stuff to have on board. I use the aft end of the bowsprit as my mast crutch when the masts are down. Unless you are a serious racer I think that I would leave the spinnaker off. I did rig a staysail halyard on the mizzen mast and I have been using it as a topping lift to support the mizzen sprit when I stow the sails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frowley Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Thanks for the detailed and thoughtful reply, Graham! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Votaw Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 If this works, it is a video of Pilgrim on a close reach down Aransas Bay on the Texas 200. Graham was in sight, but too far away for more video this day. We veered off and went into Rockport for a great hamburger lunch and more ice. It was a great day of sailing. 8AB8EF4A-4C06-4542-95A2-851E8DA983AB.MOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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