Don Silsbe Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 12 hours ago, PAR said: Avoid shellac based, as it's not really good outside and particularly in a marine environment and not at all, around any of the usual solvents (like gasoline). This was my concern with the Bullseye product. The shellac-based product would require alcohol clean-up, so I think you're OK, Chick. I do hope that you find some coating that is durable, and flows well. It would be nice to spend less than the usual $40-50/ quart for paint. I just don't have the balls to put all that work i to a boat, and slap "whatever" on the final coat. Here's hoping your selection work well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve W Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 14 hours ago, Action Tiger said: Chick, We have pretty stringent environmental regulations out here, so we may have a wider range of water clean up type paints than other places, but the stuff I got is a valspar porch and floor "enamel" that is "polyurethane fortified" and water clean up. It seems to be harder than the typical water clean up paints I'm used to. Either way, for small boats like this, I prefer the ease of repair to ultimate durability. Your canoe looks AWESOME! Peace, Robert I'm thinking of using this on the interior of my CS 20.3. I'd love to be able to paint the interior before I remove it from the basement and any solvent based stuff is not going to happen indoors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Tiger Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 Here's that paint. It's set up for a while and seems plenty hard. It isn't as shiny, because it's dusty now. Still. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, just hoping to share my experience, even if I am dumb enough to just slap whatever on my boats. Peace, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt S. Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 I think the key is Robert has built "A few canoes, several kayaks (1.9 Kudzu boats), several sailboats, several pirogues, several sampans" so now his work is fast, cheap and good (pick any 3). While I am happy I built a Cadillac B and B and am finishing it with $50/qt paint, there is obviously a lot to be learned by building some smaller, faster, cheaper stuff and exploring the tradespace of variables such as paint type/cost/durability, lumber, etc. Or we can just read what Robert and PAR do and do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Silsbe Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 I agree! I'm just saying that I chicken out, when it comes to experimentation so late in my build. I'm watching the results with baited breath. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAR Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 After many "redo's" over the years, I'm pretty set on using known quality products. Most have had some fish eyes, bugs or whatever in their paint, but when you have wholesale square footage peeling off in sheets, you'll get more hardheaded about how much you saved on the paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Tiger Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Well. I said my piece, and gave advice and information because I was asked. I never recommended anybody do anything I do. And I certainly don't criticize other people for their choices, nor insult their work. I come here only to cheer on others, learn, and add info to the pot. I am done dispensing advice. I have had to defend my self and my methods here and on my own thread in the main forum. I'll just stick to my own boats my own way, and leave you all to yours. Peace, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Silsbe Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 Robert, PAR is simply saying that as a professional builder, he can't afford the risk of a paint job redo. I like the forum format, because we can discover several alternatives, amd make iur own choice. Sometimes we get a little huffy, when we express ourselves, and feathers get ruffled. You've made enough boats to know what works. I'm scared to take the risk. Actually, I used Kirby on my latest, and was disappointed with it's tender skin. So, I'm real anxious to see how Chick's boat holds up. (He lives nearby.) Is your orange boat going to make it to the October messabout? Hope so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Ludwig Posted June 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 HEY TIGER----I asked and really want your opinion! Please keep giving it! I like to hear about "doing-it-my-way" stories. I also value advice from the experts like Par, even if I'm too much of a curmudgeon (Now, where did THAT come from?) to follow it. here's my excuse, and I'm stickin' to it. I hafta squeeze the pennies to extend my non-budget as far as I can. Also, because of health reasons, have to stay away from dangerous materials like spraying two part poly. And I'm limited with my work space and equipment. My problems with paint come more from my life-long ADD (outgrew the HD part long years ago) and impatience than the materials I use. I try to use more expensive and durable paint on bigger boats like Summer Breeze where I did use two part paints. But, even there, I use industrial grade rather than marine, and no polyurethane except water based. Trouble came on the Breeze because the water based paint is very thick and I don't have a compressor big enough to handle the spray gun that will spray it---runs out of air. I tried anyway. Yes, I know---rolland tip. Little boats that get dragged through swamps and over rocks are gonna get scratched up no matter what paint is used---even Don's super paints. Guys like Tiger and me (or is it "Tiger and I?) are gonna do like Sinatra sang, "I did it my way". So let's END this and move on! Let's listen to that song as we move on to the next friendly debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Ludwig Posted June 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 FINALLY! Here are the completed pictures. Well, almost. Gotta add leather pads where Mr. Zuki will clamp himself on. As far as I can tell with my bathroom scales, we came out at 68#, Miss Debbie will be happy with that. I'll return with some impressions of performance after our camping trip---if I can wait that long to try it out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wile E. Coyote Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Nice looking boat. Nice work on the seats. Congratulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve W Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Hmmmm......Leather pads for the motor mount? Do you drape the leather and clamp right through the leather? BTW......she looks awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Silsbe Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Robert-- is that paint can in the photo the Valspar paint you talk about earlier? How about a full frontal of the can? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Tiger Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Don, The top part is orange. Seriously, I always pour over the picture rather than the writing. Here is a stock photo from the web. Paint stores, hardware stores, and big box joints too, I think. I got mine at the hardware store because they know me, and they know the products. Big box scare me. No likey. Still. For jobs I often buy mistinted paints, and big box sometimes have good deals. Houses are different, though. I'll paint anything on the side of a house. I am a LITTLE choosy about boat paint. Peace, Robert P.S. Just noticed the can says satin. I used gloss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Ludwig Posted June 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 (Well, I done dood it again---typed this yesterday and forgot to hit "Submit Reply". Guess I'm too used to just hitting "Enter" on my keyboard.) Wile E. caned seats are purchased. Steve, I'll cut out the leather and glue it in place with contact cement. It's (the leather) pretty thick. Thanks to both of you guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennieG Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Looks good Chick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Ludwig Posted June 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Thanks,Lennie. We tried loading it on the top of our Ford explorer today. Miss Debbie can lift it over her head pretty well, but she's not tall enough to get it on top. We'll just go to plan-B and slide it onto the cartop rack from the back. I'm gonna wrap the rack's cross bars with large size pool noodles and ty-rap them in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmosSwogger Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 Chick, you are a one man shipyard. Every time I log onto the forum you have finished another boat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Ludwig Posted June 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 Yep, now WHAT am I gonna build next. Miss Debbie says I gotta sell one before building another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAR Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 That's what they always say Chick. You should be fairly imune to this line of protest by now. How about a nice paint job in the family room to ease her back down. He who dies with the least number of boats. loses . . . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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