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Doug Cameron

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Gregg, if you consider the cost of the trailer, sails, oars, etc., the boat is really cheap.  And she has that dodger, making her dry to weather in chop.

 

Robert, I use a Toyota Highlander to pull her.  The galvanized trailer weighs more than the boat.  The trailer was built to fit the boat, but the builder was a bass boat trailer builder (Tennessee doesn't have many sail boats), so the wheels are a bit far back (tracks well, but has a lot of tongue weight).  I use a tongue jack with a roller to move her around.  I haven't put her on a scale, but she's almost too heavy to lift.

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Doug, your boat looks great and I am sorry there are no takers. I built the first 20 eons ago and even discounting for my lack of forum knowledge at that time I have a pretty good idea about the hours and materials needed to build one of these. Your price is better than fair. Ignore the centerboard dig. Why is it that people will gladly pay $50 - $75 an hour to a plumber to tell them their toilet is backed up ( why do you think I called you?) yet $10 an hour for building boats is outrageous bordering on insane? Hang in there bud and best of luck. PeterP

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I am a professional musician, and the same paradigm exists there as it does for boatbuilders.  I am always asked to donate a performance, but my plumber and mechanic don't come free.

 

 I think that 8-9K is about right considering the amount of the materials.  Probably costs somewhere between 6-7K in materials and to fully outfit for launch.  9k is about right if the job was done right.  

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Amateur boatbuilding is a hobby, not a money making proposition. Depending on the level of finish it is certainly possible that an amateur built boat isn't even worth the cost of materials. I think this is in part beacause it is hard to know how well built a boat is if it is a one-off from a non-professional. There is no "blue book" value for homebuilt boats since the market is so tiny. This uncertainty leads to lower prices.

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I am a professional musician, and the same paradigm exists there as it does for boatbuilders.  I am always asked to donate a performance, but my plumber and mechanic don't come free.

 

 I think that 8-9K is about right considering the amount of the materials.  Probably costs somewhere between 6-7K in materials and to fully outfit for launch.  9k is about right if the job was done right.

Okay, I'll play the role of the heretic on the boatbuilder forum ;)

Thinking on a purely pragmatic basis... the boatbuilder and the musician ignore that reality of the marketplace when, after the fact, they lament how their contributions are under-appreciated.

Musicians give away performances when they value the 'exposure' enough to offset the loss of the money.

Most amateur boat builders spend the money and the time to build in spite of the great numbers of quite adequate boats for sale for much less that they will expend.

The plumber (or mechanic, or electrician, etc) doesn't do that.

Just saying.

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Tom - People who want "geat numbers of quite adequate boats" will be perfectly happy buying something else for $500. Someone who wants a CS20 has to either build one or pay the builder for it. As long as builders don't sell the boats for less than the materials cost, nobody will be able to buy them for that.

Doug - As you know, your buyer will get a good deal at $8k.

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Hi Doug,

 

It is sad that people do not value the time spent by the amateur boat builder. Anyone with a half decent eye for detail can easily see quality work. I have seen many professional built boats in my time that have probably been rushed and I can pick faults quite easily, which is why I build my own. Those of you that think Doug is asking too much for his boat should have a look at the market. Go and price a similar boat to the CS20 new and see what you get. That is if you can find a similar boat with looks and performance. I'm not saying that his boat is new, but it certainly isn't a hunk of crap either. Here is one, the Norseboat 21ft for $55,000. who would pay that for a piece of plastic with nowhere near the performance of the CS20. As for the person who made the comment about the gold centerboard, obviously he's in the wrong forum.

I hope you get a good price for your beautiful boat Doug.

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The boat market is a buyers market right now.  With the economy the way its been since about 2008 things are tough.  In my area I see guys restore an old car and then sell it for less than they have in it.  I don't understand this.  Now if your in financial straights and need money I can understand selling for less.

 

Selling for less is actually paying someone to take it away.  It also devalues everybody else's like property.  The same guys who complain about the  price of a boat will go right to the optometrist and pay 360 dollars for a pair of glasses worth about 25 bucks and never think a thing of it.  In the words of tater salad, how can a pair of sun glasses cost 325 bucks when I can buy a big screen tv at wall mart that decodes digital signals from frigin outerspace for the same price.

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I'm new here and still feeling my way around but I like to say what I think. One man's feast is another man's famine.  It is nice to sell something and make some money or be reimbursed for the value of your time when you make something.  Seems I was just reading on another thread about designers feeling they should be compensated adequately for their intellectual property and time in designing a boat.  Likewise, craftsman feel they should be compensated for thier work.  Unfortunately, the time has arrived where quality and workmanship are no longer desired or appreciated by the masses.  There are a few of us who look beyond sticker price and option sheets and look for quality, craftsmanship, longevity and functionality.  It is difficult if not impossible to put a price tag on these qualities.  What it really comes down to is what the market will bear. (Fair market value) This is usually only had when time is not limited and you do well marketing your product to the right audience.  IMHO there is nothing evil about selling at a loss, nor is their anything righteous about making a profit. The important thing is that the seller and buyer are both in agreement when they part ways.  If I am in a hard spot and need to sell my precious boat, I would much rather sell it to friend who may not be financially plush but will give the craft the love and care it deserves than to sell it to a wealthy pompous jerk who is paying more than its fair value to impress his friends and then let's it sit in a boathouse rotting, never sailed and never maintained.  This is the worst fate for the product of any man's hard labor. Unappreciated.

 

We live in a society which appreciates immediate gratification and disposability.  This is why craftsmanship and traditional skills are going the way of the dodo bird.  It is a cycle though as is everything in nature. It will come back around and when it does it is usually at a much greater sacrifice and price.

 

As craftsman, and artist one must understand that the masses are ignorant and be willing to work and produce based on principle and ethic.  In the end this is what give value to your creation and it can only be apprecited by those who understand the sacrifice made to bring it into existance.  This is why so many great lost masterpeices are purchased at yard sales.   That's why so many beautiful boats are sold less than the some of their  components or even given away.

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