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[TrailerSailor]

Hi there

 

Im new to this forum. After looking many different desings Im very interisted to build a Princess Sharpie 22.

 

I would like to know more about some points in this state now. First of all I would like to know what your boats weight is. It would be fine to see posts with your boatweight and what is included in this weight.

 

Second I would like to see your different accomodation, or the variations of accomodation you did. It would be fine to see accomodation plans or real pics from your boat.

 

At least I would like to know your thinkings about the sailperformance and seaworthyness of your boats. What is possible with this boat, what not?

 

 

Regards from a new member from central europe...

[John Burritt]

Contact designergraham@gmail.com for more specifics on the Princess 22.

[TrailerSailor]

Hi

 

I know the specifies from the P22.

 

What I ask for is what the builders and sailors did with this design, how they think about her and what changes they did, or maybe what changes they would do if they would build the boat again...

[Chick Ludwig]

I built the prototype boat. I've had several trailer-sailors over the years, and the P22 is the culmination of the experiences with them. She is easy to rig, easy to trailer, and is a good blend of speed and sea-worthiness. Graham has plenty of pictures of her, and her layout. Contact him for those. We all have different ideas about what we want in a design, and they are all different. You first have to decide what you need and want. Speed, roominess, daysailing, weekending or longer cruises? Do you want to cook meals aboard, warm a can of soup, or eat out of a cooler? Sail in protected waters, sounds, or the ocean? Shallow water where you need a c/b and "skinny" draft, or deep water and a shoal or deep keel. Do you sail in an area with predominately light airs, or a lot of wind. Etc., etc. If you can find a copy, Larry Brown's book "Frugal Yachting" has tons of great advice about trailer-sailing.

Beg, borrow, or catch a ride on as many different boats as you can to help you decide. A great way to do that is to come to a "mess-about" where there are boats that interest you. Graham has one every year in October. I have a new boat now--also a B and B design--the CS Mk-2. Much different than the Princess, but she is what I need now in a boat. Circumstances and needs have changed. If you are able to get to my area, I would be glad to give you a ride. So would other members of this forum. If you want to talk, you can call me most evenings (except Wed., and Sunday).If you reply in a private message, I'll give you my phone number. (Click "more reply options" below---I think that's how you do it.)

[TrailerSailor]

Hi

 

I live in switzerland and dont know one P22 here. And it is not possible for me to fly to america to look for a 22ft boat. Im in contact with Graham and Carla but just want to know what the owners from this boat think about her. Thats all......

[Howard]

Where do you intend to use this boat? What type of waters?

 

Shallow water in protected settings, or deep water, such as one of the Seas to the south?

 

Good to remember that with boats, as with many other things, FORM follows FUNCTION. The Sharpie type, which are shallow draft, centerboard boats, were developed as work boats well over 100 years ago for the eastern coastal waters of the US, which includes places like the Chesapeake Bay, the Carolina Sounds, Long Island Sound and it's tributaries, along with Atlantic and Gulf Coasts of Florida. For the most part, these are shallow coastal waters. Vast areas are less than 10 feet or so deep (maybe 2 to 3 meters?).  The Princess Sharpies have many of the very best attributes of the type, including a V bottom. Compared to most conventional sailboats, they are lighter in weight and very fast. They are shallow draft boats that trailered easily and can be launched and retrieved from shallow ramps. But the Princess sharpies also have external keels with ballast, so they are considered self righting and can venture out into deeper waters and face the rougher stuff. But if rougher, deeper water is what you would be doing on a regular basis, you would be better served by more conventional boats in this size category, such as the Folkboat, which would be somewhat similar in size and have similar comforts below.

 

So again, it all depends on how you will use the boat and the type of waters you intend to sail upon. A Princess 22 may be the perfect fit for you, or there may be better alternatives.

[PinoyPiper]

Where do you intend to use this boat? What type of waters?

 

Switzerland is pretty much landlocked   though it does have some very nice likes, I'd venture a guess on Lake Geneva for this boat , as for using it in the Mediterranean, why not Italy is always great cruising grounds  

[Norman Colter]

I am a P22 builder/owner. Sailor. Fisherman. Camper. I love my boat.

I modified the transom. Put a gentle curve to it. Official measurement
is 22ft3inches. Otherwise to spec as best I could.

I launch in a river landing about 3 miles from my house. So while I am a trailer sailor,
Not much traveling. I can launch at any tide, love the 12 inch draft. I sail in the
Massachusetts Bay.

My adventures are weekends that typically start with a Friday late afternoon
launch. And a Sunday afternoon retrieve. My mate is an older brother. We are both
6 foot two hundred pounds or so... Plenty of room. We sail well out into the Atlantic
during the day, weather permitting. And camp-out at anchor or on a friends mooring
in the more protected waters of the Plum Island sound.

My schedule only allows me one weekend a month so we have been out in some
different weather. Always safe. Always fun.

It was a first time build for me. I studied the plan set, read "How to build
any boat the stitch and glue way". Several others as well, but that was my
go to. And finally after five years the stars aligned and I was ready to
start.

So how about a P22? I vote yes.

[Chick Ludwig]

Hi Trailer Sailor---didn't know you were in Switzerland. Wow! This WOULD be a long way to come!

[TrailerSailor]

Oh yes, I live in switzerland. But I come from the northsea coast in germany.

 

The boat shall be used for daysailing here on the swiss lakes. We have the Lake Thun infront of the door and with the thermical conditions we get winds between 2 and around 5 Beaufort in summer. Sometimes storm can come quickly....There are some more lakes and the lake geneve is very near (100km away) and a very lovely place.

 

I also want to go to the northsea coast with that boat for holidays. There are the "frisian islands" what is a wonderful place to sail with many islands like a pearl necklace near the coast. It ranges from the west of the netherlands with the island Texel and reaches up to nearly denmark with the island Sylt. It has shallow water, but the conditions are not easy. For big ships its known as one of the most dangerous waterways of the world. Maybe you know it as "german bight". Behind the islands there is a deep water way for the big ships going for example to Hamburg and Bremerhaven. The most german cars  get shipped from there into the world too.

 

The other place is the baltic sea. I would like to sail from the german coast near Kiel or Lübeck to the danish islands and in the flat waters from east germany to poland.

 

The third place to go for me is the coast of the mediterran sea from france (Marseille) up to italy croatia and else.

 

Yoe see that the boat will travel a lot. So trailering is a big point. The ways to germany, netherlands and croatia are up to 1000km oneway. Im not willing to have a trailerweight more than 1500kg. The trailer can be up to 300kg, so the complete boat, ready for holidays shouldnt be more than 1200kg. Of course we can store things in the car too....;-)

 

I owned a 24ft plywood boat for many years. But she had a deep keel with draft from 1,60m. She stood 3,60m with the trailer and was going up to 2000kg trailerweight. That was to much for me and the boat was 40 years and needed a complete refit. So I sold her and now we are looking to build a new one...

[Charlie Jones]

I built a P22 for  a guy here. He's 75, and trailers it all over the country. Names Travis.. I'll ell him about this thread so he can respond. he's had the boat since 2004.

[TrailerSailor]

Thank you all for your answers up to now. We now decided to build a Belhaven.

[laci]

Hi,

I am new and my name is Ladislav. Looking for building and using low powered boat.My first choice was Maertens Nina 22 (original Ninigret 22 by Atkin) but I changed to Princess Sharpie 22.I like to sail again, but my wife like after whole day of being somewhere around, return home as soon as possible.So I need now sailing boat with outboard in well with long cockpit (I am 6' 5").

My summer house is on North Adriatic sea ,where in summer the weather is calm with afternoon breeze or moderate to stormy NE gale,when nobody is out.House has garage where boat will be situated on trailer.

As mentioned boats has similar bottom shape and draft (this is my amateur opinion) is it possible to mount stronger (30 hp) outboard engine trying to achieve semi planning speed (15-18 knots) like Ninigret/Nina.If not, what can be max.power and weight of engine.

Second,as the height of garage entrance is only 6' 4", is it possible to design removable tabernacles.

Otherwise Princess looks fantastic and suits all our needs.

                                                                                                Regards, Ladislav from Croatia

[Hirilonde]

Great boat and welcome to the forum.  The low sail plan will be great for the bura.