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[hightechmarine]

I agree just say no fasteners. The fir loves glue with all the other stuff going on top should be just fine.

[hightechmarine]

I would be honored to be on your friends list. I love nice work and you are doing it right. Just say no to fasteners. There is plenty holding the bow together. Fasteners have their place but too many make the wood "screw sick"

PG

[Hirilonde]

 Fasteners have their place but too many make the wood "screw sick"

Never heard that term before, or anything similar for too many fasteners.  I like it, and it certainly is true.

[hightechmarine]

When I was a youth I hung around Graves Boatyard in Marblehead MA. When they refastened boats they took the screw out and put in a bigger one or a bolt rather than just adding screws to the middle of the plank. That way the plank or frame didn't get screw sick. That is where I learned it. 

[Hirilonde]

 When they refastened boats they took the screw out and put in a bigger one or a bolt rather than just adding screws to the middle of the plank. That way the plank or frame didn't get screw sick. That is where I learned it. 

That has been the preferred method of knowledgable marine carpenters since forever. In the days of hand nailing a good framer knew when more was not better, same prinicple.  I just never heard the term "screw sick" I like terminology.  It helps people accurately converse, orally, or in forums like this.  I am glad to add that to my vocabulary.

[hightechmarine]

Cheers. I see that you are from RI. I am in RI two or three times a week. I like what you write in the posts and I would like to come by and shake your hand.

PG

[Fishman38]

Maybe someone could start a "glossary" thread for terms commonly used in the trade.  I have three different boat builder glossaries in my "Favorites" and still occasionally find a term, such as "beard line" that appears in none of them.

[Hirilonde]

Maybe someone could start a "glossary" thread for terms commonly used in the trade.  I have three different boat builder glossaries in my "Favorites" and still occasionally find a term, such as "beard line" that appears in none of them.

That could be fun, but not sure it would get a lot of posts.  People seem to require a specific and timely need to discuss things like this.  And unfortunately some people get offended when their choice of words is corrected.  And when using modern techniques for wooden boat building some of the old terms don't really apply, and this makes it even more confusing some times.  The misuse of floor is one of my pet pieves.

[Miyot]

How about ceiling, which actually refers to fore and aft planking on the inside of frames.  Not what's above your head.

[Hirilonde]

Glad you are part of this hijack Miyot.  Seeing as this is your thread I don't feel so bad. 

How about ceiling, which actually refers to fore and aft planking on the inside of frames.  Not what's above your head.

This is definitely another one.

[Fishman38]

Back in the day when I was in the USCG what you stood on on board ship at least, was a deck.  Today, at least on small boats it is apparently a sole.  Go figure.

[Hirilonde]

Deck and sole are different on boats.  A cockpit has a sole, as does down below (indoors).  In an inclosed hull, like a displacement sailboat, all but the cockpit is deck or cabin (coach house).  In an open boat with little or no deck, where you are standing on the bottom, or a false bottom, I really don't know what or if there is a proper name for it, or if it is a different name for each.  In an open boat with no flotation in the bottom I like floor boards to stand on.  Even with a false bottom they are often desirable.  In a power boat with a false bottom above the water line and scuppers is it called a sole too?

 

2 point bonus question:  Why are they called floor boards?

[Miyot]

Deck and sole are different on boats.  A cockpit has a sole, as does down below (indoors).  In an inclosed hull, like a displacement sailboat, all but the cockpit is deck or cabin (coach house).  In an open boat with little or no deck, where you are standing on the bottom, or a false bottom, I really don't know what or if there is a proper name for it, or if it is a different name for each.  In an open boat with no flotation in the bottom I like floor boards to stand on.  Even with a false bottom they are often desirable.  In a power boat with a false bottom above the water line and scuppers is it called a sole too?

 

2 point bonus question:  Why are they called floor boards?

I'm game.  Because the boards actually sit on top of the floors?

[Hirilonde]

 

I'm game.  Because the boards actually sit on top of the floors?

 

Yup.  Not all floor boards do these days, but that is the origin of the name.