John155 Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Is there any one out there who uses laced sails on a core sound or on a bay river skiff? Do you have stowable masts? Can you raise and lower and reef your sails with the masts in place on the boat? My intentions are to go with laced sails on a birds mouth mast. I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 John, I have the lace on sails. I did not have good results lacing them on. I probably wasn't doing it just right but I had a problem with them sagging after a while. I solved this problem by using a separate tie at each lace point on the sail. I tie it just a bit loose so the sail can move. I can now tension the sail better with the halyard than when I laced the sail on. It works great. She tacks well and I am very satisfied with the performance of my sails. My oar locks are made from 1X4 yellow pine. I glued on top of the side decks and ran stainless screws into the inwhale and deck bracing. Sorry I don't have any pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterP Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Yes John, my first CS 17 was built without any provision for reefing and I came to regret it. So, on the second I did two sets of reefing pts. No track though - I like lace up for its simplicity. I put a small block at the top of the mast for the halyard. Two things you have to watch out for: your mast has to be smooth otherwise the lacing will hang up when you try to pull the sail down. This was a problem with my set up - I have a two piece mast and the transition is not good enough. Also, your lacing has to be done right - it cannot be a continuous lace where you just go round and round the mast. The line will tighten unevenly and again the sail will hang up. Unfortunately, I don't have a digital camera so I have no way of showing you how to do it. My description would only confuse you. As for the stowing masts - I keep my masts made up-they form a good ridge for the boat cover when I trailer. I just furl the sails around the mast lay them in a couple of crutches toss the cover over and I am done. I should also tell you that I no longer use the halyards. I have not done any long races in eons and all that line hanging off the bottom of the mast kind of bugged me so I just took it down. I can still reef but I have to take the masts down to drop the sail. I sincerely wish you good luck with oars. Those are not simple on CS17. First, the logical place to sit for rowing is occupied by the mizzen so you will have to move it every time you row. Also, the boat sides are a tad too high for comfortable oar lenght. If you have the open stern version you could try a scull. If you come up with anything good here share it with me. PeterP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 My oars are positioned in front of the mizzen. I throw a cushion on the centerboard trunk and row from there. Oars are 8' long and work pretty well. I have the locks raised 1" above the side decks. Combined with the hight of the oar locks themselves this just gets the oars over the coaming. I try not to row any more than I have to but it does work pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustangermatt Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 My masts are one piece spruce, with a sheeve inletted at the head for the halyard. The lacing starts at the head, goes down and around the mast to the first grommet, then reverses the twist to the next and so on. This prevents sagging and snagging, the sails slide up almost effortlessly and will quickly drop from their own weight. I built a rowing seat on the centerboard that is actually an extension of the thwart. My oarlocks are just aft of the mizzen so when I reach all the way forward for a stroke I am reaching around the mizzen. Works ok but I will probably move the locks a little further forward at some time. 8' oars work for me too. I overcame the rail height issue by sitting on a three inch cushion. 9' oars would be the best though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes T Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 John155 Login and check your PM box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterP Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 John, just in case - I just came across a nice picture of the way I lace my sails and the name has me wondering - fshagan? http://users2.ev1.net/~fshagan/gaffmain.htm PeterP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisObee Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 That is the web site of our web host. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I'm building a Core Sound 20. I want to use laced sails for the simplicity and the traditional look, but I have one nagging doubt and I wondered if anyone has tried this? The sprit tensioning line is attached to the mast with an eye-strap and snap-shackle. To reef the sail this would have to be disconnected to allow the lacing to drop past the eye-strap. Has anyone tried this stunt and lived to tell the tale? The clew end is easy but I am loath to make the final fittings and then find I need six hands to control the temporarily freed up sprit while the lacing is helped over the eye-strap. Any feedback would be great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Jones Posted July 2, 2015 Report Share Posted July 2, 2015 Casper, My CS17 has laced sails and solid wood mast. The snotter is hitched around the mast and would be a pain to remove. I just unlace the bottom of the sail up to the snotter and re-lace it after the reef is in. This adds a few minutes but it is not difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertnc28 Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 How do you reverse the lacing at each gorment. I tried this pattern (pic), biut the sail shape was horrible - twisted funny at each gorment. Went back to spiral lacing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Randy Jones Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 That's the same method I use except I switch back to spiral on the bottom of the sail so I can lace & unlace it quickly for reefing. I didn't have any problem with twist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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