Brent Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I am considering adding oar locks forward of the thwart on my CS. Allowing the solo sailor to row the boat without moving the mizzen mast. Anybody tried this? Does the boat track straight with the weight forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJPiercey Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Different design, but the same principle. I have rowed many miles and it tracks perfectly. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 I had same desire after the first season but decided to go aft. Set up jump seat across cockpit with enuf room to put my back into it and brace feet on bulkhead. I was concerned with moving the station this far aft but seems to work fine. Check out Jay Benfords cat ketch. Somewhat similar and the row station well aft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Dunn Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 I also went with a jump set aft of the mizzen. Works pretty good for me on my CS 20. My temp seat is a few inches higher than than the side seats. I think the height helps the rowing position. A cushion on the seat makes it more comfortable. I try to get my wife to row as much as possible. Good for her, you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy Hill Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 I had my rowing position well forward of the mizzen and it rowed beautifully. According to my GPS I could maintain 2.5 knots comfortably and manage about 4 knots while flailing the bay to a froth and looking like an idiot. Gordy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordy Hill Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 I had my rowing position well forward of the mizzen and it rowed beautifully. According to my GPS I could maintain 2.5 knots comfortably and manage about 4 knots while flailing the bay to a froth and looking like an idiot. Gordy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 I put in two sets of oarlocks on my CS17. The forward set is 12" forward of the forward edge of the center thwart and the aft set is 10" aft of the aft edge of the cener thwart. The forward set seems well positioned and we used them when rowing with one person to avoid the mizzen mast. With two people rowing which worked very well we rowed staggered with the stronger rower aft so that he can control the course . I think that in the future I will move the aft oarlocks 2" further aft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffM Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Okay, okay, I know we've talked most of the angles here, but I have one question as I prepare to install my oarlocks: what's the difference between rowing from ahead of the thwart and abaft it? The way I figure it, putting the aft rowing station 14" abaft the thwart (adjusted from Graham's 12" on his cs17) means hitting my head on the mizzenmast at each stroke. But putting it ahead could mean running afoul of the main sprit. Either way, if you're single-handing what do you do with the rudder? raise it? lash it? let it weather-vane? If there's a little bit of wind I might want to be within reach of tiller and sheets. In shallow water, I expect the cb would be up (recalling an earlier thread in which was discussed the danger of sitting astride the cb trunk were the lowered board to suddenly hit bottom). Though I am confidently equipping the Beatrice Ann with oars, I've...uh..never actually rowed. Opinions and experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 You have just made a good case for two rowing stations. First you won't be hitting your head on the main sprit. Rowing single handed with the sails up, or motor sailing is best done from the forward station and you will steer with the oars. There is also less transom drag at rowing speed with your weight at the forward rowing station. When rowing with 2 people I like to use one each and put one person forward and one aft which works really well. When I am sailing alone and the wind is just ahead I will use one oar in the aft position and steer with the other hand until I reach the wind line. This allows you to trim the sails and have the board down if you need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Posted July 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 My boat has rowing stations both ahead and behind the mizzen. The forward station gets used for the serious long distance rowing, for the reasons Graham mentions above. Because the boat sails well in even a wisper of wind the forward station actually is used only rarely. The aft rowing station gets used in those short maneuvering situations...typically rowing while facing forward with the rudder between the knees. The most common example being rowing the boat onto the trailer, which is very convenient when the wind is fowl or the ramp crowded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnjost Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 Glad these posts are here. I put blocking under the side deck in three locations while planning where the oarlocks would be most effective: one forward, one middle( only usable with the mizzen out) and one aft. Had not considered the obvious. Oars would be used to control in tight situations such as a narrow creek, leaving or arriving at a dock, etc. May add a pair of blocks under the deck for forward facing rowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirilonde Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 May add a pair of blocks under the deck for forward facing rowing. This is something I have been pondering. With no outboard, dock and launch ramp landings will be done rowing much of the time. It isn't a matter of getting the most out of my effort over time, but seeing my way to a controlled crash. I am building a different boat, but any ideas you come by along the way would be worth a ponder. I am thinking of a set where I could row facing forward while straddling the tiller with my knees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterMoon Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Glad these posts are here. I put blocking under the side deck in three locations while planning where the oarlocks would be most effective: one forward, one middle( only usable with the mizzen out) and one aft. Had not considered the obvious. Oars would be used to control in tight situations such as a narrow creek, leaving or arriving at a dock, etc. May add a pair of blocks under the deck for forward facing rowing. FWIW, I've found the middle station to be useless. Even if you pluck the mizzen, there is a lot of rigging in the way as well as my RAM mount for the GPS. I've got a forward station for covering long distances, usually with crew, and an aft station. I built a removable bench for the aft cockpit to be used as a rowing seat. The bench also greatly increases comfort for the helmsman on long stints at the tiller. I will be removing the middle rowing station oarlocks on my next repaint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Jones Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Brent, the forward station works just fine. I've put both sets of oar locks on my CS17 but typically only use the forward set. I lash the tiller to center line with a sail tie and sit upon a boat cushion on the centerboard when rowing. If there is any wind at all I typically end up rowing with one oar and "motor sail" at a boat speed of about 2.5 knots. Oars are a pain to break out, so I just use a canoe paddle for dock work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnjost Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Glad these posts are here. I put blocking under the side deck in three locations while planning where the oarlocks would be most effective: one forward, one middle( only usable with the mizzen out) and one aft. Had not considered the obvious. Oars would be used to control in tight situations such as a narrow creek, leaving or arriving at a dock, etc. May add a pair of blocks under the deck for forward facing rowing. FWIW, I've found the middle station to be useless. Wish i read this a day earlier, as yesterday I put the holes in for the alternate mizzen step. It will make the boom tent easier to construct in any event. And, allow for playing with the rig a bit. I can see where rowing from the forward location will be efficient with the stern being lighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hughes Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Dave You could put oar locks near the tiller which would allow you to row with one oar while standing facing forward with the tiller between you legs. I used to do this on my Rozinante (displacement @ 4,000 lbs) never went to far but worked fine in calm areas. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirilonde Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Dave You could put oar locks near the tiller which would allow you to row with one oar while standing facing forward with the tiller between you legs. I used to do this on my Rozinante (displacement @ 4,000 lbs) never went to far but worked fine in calm areas. Dave Yeah, this is the kind of thing I am thinking. I want to have the option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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